EOS R and Mirrorless camera rumours
EOS R and Mirrorless camera Rumours
Mirrorless rumours for Canon and other makes
Canon have decided to go all in on the mirrorless camera market, and here’s where all our info and rumours will appear.
This covers all manufacturers, although Canon cameras will get more interest from myself (they match my lens collection).
Now that Nikon have introduced the Z series of mirrorless, info about their Z series mirrorless cameras will be here as well as the Nikon Z page.
- 2012-2018 rumours are on the 2012-2018 Mirrorless archive page
- 2009-2012 rumours are in the Mirrorless archive page
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4th Canon will be making announcements next Thursday at 1pm (UK time). There will be live events streamed from various locations.
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09.07.2020 | 14:00 CET | Broadcast available in English only.
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Not much to comment on the Z7 I’m afraid, due to my living in central Leicester and not currently supposed to go out…
26th The current list of Canon announcements in July [Nok]
- Canon EOS R5 Body
- Canon EOS R5 24-105 USM Kit
- Canon EOS R6 Body
- Canon EOS R6 24-105 STM Kit
- Canon EOS R6 24-105 USM Kit
- Canon WFT-R10 (A/B/C/D/E)
- Canon BG-R10
- Canon LP-E6NH
- Canon RF 100-500L
- Canon RF 800/11
- Canon RF 600/11
- Canon Lens Hood ET-101
- Canon Lens Hood ET-88B
- Canon Lens Hood ET-77
- Canon Lens Case LZ1328
- Canon Lens Case LZ1435
- Canon RF1.4x
- Canon RF2x
- Extender lens cap RF
23rd A visit to Nikon land for me. I’ve been wanting to add the Nikon 19mm tilt shift lens to my review collection for some time, and Nikon UK has kindly lent me a Z7 to try it out.
I’ll be updating things on the Nikon Z info page
If anyone has any comments/questions, please do feel free to drop me an email…
And yes, I will be writing up a short ‘first impressions review’ of the Z7 – I’ve got the 24-70 f/4 lens to try with it
18th Here are the camera products being announced by Canon on the 9th of July [CR]
- Canon EOS R5
- Canon EOS R6
- Canon RF 50mm f/1.8 IS STM
- Canon RF 70-200mm f/4L IS USM
- Canon RF 85mm f/2 Macro IS STM
- Canon RF 100-500mm f/4-7.1L IS USM
- Canon RF 600mm f/11 DO IS STM
- Canon RF 800mm f/11 DO IS STM
- Teleconverter RF 1.4x
- Teleconverter RF 2x
This image is also from CR
5th Canon have a $100 firmware update for the EOS R that’s a real help for making high end stop-motion animation [DPR]
30th Two more ‘R’ bodies for 2021 are added to the mix [CR]
Possibilities include an RP update (R9) and the high MP R5 (R5s/R3) – this is the one I’ve also been told to expect, but again with no specs or name.
28th A suggestion that there may be a ‘higher end’ EOS M body on the way [CR]
Does this push a crop sensor EOS-R version out of the running for a while. There are still voices decrying the incompatibility of RF/EF-M mounts (no upgrade path etc. etc.) but does Canon’s research and sales info tell them something about people who buy EOS M cameras that the pundits miss ;-)
25th A comparison of EOS R/R5/RP camera sizes.
16th Some designs for construction of a sensor based IS unit appear in a Canon patent application [USPTO]
The patent includes a DSLR, but it’s about the IS unit, and we’re going to see this first in the R5.
I’ve highlighted the coils (in red) which control the movement of the sensor.
Much of the patent looks at just how you reliable connect up the moving parts.
This could be the EOS R6, expected to appear after the R5
28th A suggestion [CR] that there may be an M5 mk2 later this year – a long way out so treat accordingly ;-)
22nd There are suggestions of an APS-C EOS R camera – the ‘R7’ [CR] for 2021 – no details and it’s a long way off yet. Any info found will appear on the EOS Rm/R7 page.
The R5 should start to ship before the Tokyo Olympics (start 24th July)
13th As widely expected there is a development announcement from Canon – thin on actual detail, as also might be expected.
Info on the EOS R5 page
What’s actually published…
- Newly designed CMOS sensor
- In-camera image stabilisation
- 20fps continuous shooting (silent shutter)
- 12fps continuous shooting (mechanical shutter)
- 8K video capture (of some sort)
- Twin card slots
8th That full frame Foveon sensor based camera from Sigma that people were expecting…
Delayed, with a return to the drawing board… [DPR]
Both EOS R6 and EOS R5 details seem a little more likely with Craig at CR having seen a video clip of the R6 sensor based stabilisation system in action.
So it looks like two cameras to be announced before long – there was mention of four full frame cameras this year, so 1D X mk3, R5 and R6 – what could be the third? It will come as no surprise that if the R5 is to come in at 45MP and the R6 at 20MP, my own hope is for an ‘s’ version that pushes towards Canon’s aim of clearly being the high MP leader, as it was with the 1Ds, 1Ds3 and 5Ds when I first got them.
As to if I wait for this as yet unknown camera, well that depends somewhat on what the R5 is really like ;-)
6th Courtesy of [Nok] some photos of the 850D and RF24-105 F3.5-5.6 IS STM have appeared [RF lens page] but no other cameras. That likely makes an actual announcement of a new EOS R body somewhat less likely in the near future, unless it’s some form of ‘development’ announcement.
29th A lower MP EOS R6 is mentioned [CR] suggesting that Canon may be leaning towards their old naming scheme.
- 20mp full-frame CMOS sensor
- 12fps mechanical and 20fps electronic.
- 4K @ 60p
- New battery (same as the EOS R5?)
- June 2020 launch (May announcement?)
Of course this raises questions about a potential R7 and a R1 for mirrorless 1 series.
It also makes me wonder where the ROS R and EOS RP fitted?
- The EOS R is not quite a ‘5’ series
- The RP is in essence a mirrorless 6D mk2
So, an R5 becomes a mirrorless 5D mk5 and the R6 a mirrorless 6D mk3.
Were the R and RP really just ‘placeholders’ whilst Canon struggled to get it s mirrorless act together ;-)
28th So it seems that Canon may well be going for a 45MP EOS R5 (new page)
The specs [CR] still look a bit unbalanced in parts, but even if only largely true show a serious step forward for Canon mirrorless. The video and 12 FPS performance pitch it at 5D users, whilst the 45MP… well it’s not really any real difference to what I’ve got in the 5Ds.
I’m now really curious to see the image quality and whether it’s an update for my 5Ds or whether I wait for a higher MP EOS R5s ;-) I’m not alone in not caring not one jot about video capabilities or FPS. I also know that from a marketing POV, a 45MP camera at these specs will sell far larger volumes than a high MP ‘special’. It will also drive RF lens sales to an audience that can afford some of the new RF glass.
There’s a mention from a Chinese source that a new Foveon full frame camera is on its way from Sigma. I think our first Foveon related rumours were getting on for 15 years ago, and to be fair, the promise just never seemed to play out. Sigma is working on such stuff though [PR]
Something’s probably going to appear in the next few weeks – if it’s much like those specs, well, I’ll be very surprised, if for no other reason than the huge increase in processing power required over the 1D X 3 (and corresponding heat/power use).
24th It’s a month until CP+ (27/2 – 1/3) and whilst I was pleased to be invited, the business finances (I’m told ;-) ) don’t run to a trip to Japan for me. Pity, I’ve always fancied a visit to Japan :-(
Expect some announcements in the next few weeks, and who knows, maybe even a few solid rumours.
22nd Possible Canon full frame mirrorless cameras this year get a ‘lower than EOS RP’ option added [CR]
Meanwhile, on the associated forum thread, the ‘Canon is doomed, this isn’t -exactly- what I wanted’ crowd erupt over what is actually pretty sparse info… However I note the headlines on some of the ‘made for advertising/rumor’ sites already turning the broad tips at CR into product announcements ;-)
With the launch of the EOS R, Canon have showed they can be a lot tighter in controlling camera info leaking out.
Here’s an update to my timeline ‘guestimates’… (and they are that – email me if you know otherwise ;-)
I now think Canon may produce another 5D, but it will be the sort of update that the 1DX3 was over the mk2. It would be a mirrorless camera with a mirror and likely no sensor IS, which will be positioned to drive people to the true mirrorless version.
There may be a mirrorless fast/low MP/video oriented camera to appeal to the 7D crowd (well, some of them, it’s unlikely to be crop sensor).
Canon wants done with mirrors – how they do this and maintain sales in a still fast shrinking overall market won’t be easy.
20th There are suggested dates (Feb/May) for two EOS R bodies [CR]
One could be a high MP body (Rs?) and the second a lower MP than the EOS R aimed at speed (and likely video). As to which will be first and any specs or other info, that is, as you’d suspect … still unknown ;-)
The CP+ show is late Feb, so expect some firmer info to appear within 2-3 weeks
What might part me from my cash would be a good update for my 5Ds – More than extra MP (which would be nice) I’d like sensor DR improvements (although it’s hardly ever an issue even with my EOS RP), IS and a well implemented multishot super-res mode. As to Video, FPS, AF – bottom quarter of my wish list ;-)
2020 January 14th As reasonably pointed out [TH], Canon’s new 1DX 3 (and the new D780) can be seen as mirrorless cameras with a mirror based viewfinder. Adding a secondary EVF to the big pentaprism block of the 1DX body is doable. but would take far more R&D effort than Canon was probably willing to invest at the moment – That said, I’d bet there is a hybrid DSLR or two sitting in a Canon workshop somewhere, much as there are 1DX3 bodies with IBIS.
There will be new RF mount cameras coming this year. The timelines suggest both the 5D4 and the 5Ds are due for a refresh, but in the current market who knows?
I don’t think we’ll see an APS-C EOS RF camera until the full frame line-up has been expanded. When it does come, expect some cheaper RF kit lenses to appear but I don’t feel Canon wants to expand the EOS R line too far downmarket (yet).
There’s also the matter of just how to handle the APS-C xxxD/Rebel range of DSLRs – look for any ‘last gasp’ updates here to give a lot of clues as to what will go into the EOS R ‘Rebel’
See the main Camera rumour page for more about this, including some of Canon’s 2012 comments about what/who EOS M was for…
For 2019 rumours see the Mirrorless /EOS R 2019 archive page
For 2018 rumours see the Mirrorless 2012-2018 archive page
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