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Spyder3 Print review V3.5

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Spyder3 Print review (V3.5)

Spyder3Print – printer ICC profiling package from Datacolor

The Spyder3 Print package from Datacolor (aka ColorVision)contains a spectrocolorimeter that allows you to build icc printer profiles.

Spyder 3 print spectro

Updates August ’09 new SR version announced – full review (free software update is available for existing Spyder3Print and PrintFIX PRO users)
Jan 2012 – new software (4.2.3) for the SpyderPrint

The Spyder3 Print has a wide range of advanced features that allow you to edit and refine profiles, as well as create ones optimised for Black and White printing.

The software has continued to be refined, and in the current version (V3.5) not only has the software been given numerous tweaks and enhancements, it also allows you to make measurements faster.

Spyder3 Print

The Original PrintFIX PRO was reviewed a while ago (Most recent PF PRO review), and produced good quality icc printer profiles.

One very welcome feature is that even if you have the old PrintFIX Pro Spectrocolorimeter, then this new software is a FREE upgrade.

Spyder3 print from datacolorThis review looks at the Apple Mac version of the software, however the Windows version is essentially the same.

Printer profiling

The first step in improving your printing is to make sure your monitor is calibrated and profiled – You’ll need a specific device and software to do this.

We’ve got reviews of all the major options currently available (see the information at the end of this article), but it should be noted that you can get a version of the Spyder3 Print package known as the Spyder3 Studio, that includes the new Spyder3 Elite monitor calibrator and software.

Next comes printing, and here you can use what’s called an ‘icc profile’ that characterises the performance of your printer with a particular ink type and paper.

Why bother with all this?

Well, let’s say you print a picture and it doesn’t look right?

If you know that what you see on your monitor is accurate, and that your printer is printing images as well as it can (for the particular printer/paper/ink combination you are using) then you know that it was probably your original image that has the problems…

Think of colour management as helping you get things right first time more often.

Printer profiles are also particularly useful if you use third party inks and papers with your printer.

Spyder3 print spectrocolorimeterI’m not going into all the other details and variables of colour management here, but there are lots of other articles on the site that may be of help, including ‘Why don’t my prints match my screen‘.

What do you get?

The package includes the Datacolor 1005 Spectrocolorimeter, that’s used to measure printed colours to build your profiles.

The one to the left is the nice shiny new version.

Others you might see in some of the images here are the slightly differently styled older version I used for testing (they are the same internally).

There is also a ruler device that you can use to make taking measurements a bit easier.

It’s worth noting that it takes a little bit of practice to find your own most comfortable way of working with the device (whether using the ruler or not).

using the spyder rulerWhilst there is a button towards the front of the measuring device, some people find it easier to press the return key on their keyboard with one hand while holding the spectro with the other.

Spyder3 Print Version 3.5 has reduced the time it takes to take individual measurements, which can speed up the profiling proces, However, good profile building requires accuracy and there is no point whatsoever rushing the measurement stage.

I’ve seen people complain about the quality of profiles and when I’ve looked at their measurements I can visually see errors.

Profiling is a very good example of ‘Garbage In – Garbage Out’.

If you get the Spyder3 Studio option then you get a Spyder3 colorimeter for monitor calibration as well as a nice carrying case for your equipment.

spyder3 StudioThis isn’t just for show – items of colour management equipment are precision devices and do not generally take kindly to being bounced around and collecting dust.

The software (Mac and Windows) is installed from one CD and only requires a serial number to enable it (Mac or Win)

Note: Jan 2012. SpyderStudio now comes with Spyder4Elite.

What’s new in Spyder3 Print Version 3.5?

I’ll restrict this section to what’s new, for visitors just looking at the differences between the older software and what you get now.

Available as a free upgrade to all registered PrintFIX PRO or Spyder3Print owners. This update offers improvements in speed, workflow, and convenience. Changes are largely in three areas:

  • Increased Measurement Speeds: Each measurement is now four times as fast, so overall read times are significantly reduced for all targets.
  • Spyder 3 productsNew Easy Profiling Options: Users can choose from three different target sizes to produce profiles in a streamlined interface for simpler, faster printer profiling.
  • Improved Workflow for Advanced Profiling Process: Changes to the advanced workflow include eliminating the need to step backwards when adding the Extended Greys target to the High Quality Colour target, plus allowing the user to print and measure both targets as a composite target.

Using Spyder3 Print

I’ll run through the basic profiling options and then address some of the more advanced features and functionality that characterise the approach Datacolor have taken with the Spyder3 Print system.

Basically, you print a sheet of coloured patches (the ‘target’) and measure the actual colours printed. You measure these patches and the software makes a profile for you to use.

You get a choice of how complex the target you use will be.

Although it might seem that you should automatically use the more complex targets, sometimes a quick test is all you need to get an idea of how a new paper will perform. With newer printers you may not notice much benefit from going to the largest targets.

There is also the question of the time it takes to make the measurements, although as I often say to people, there is no prize for being able to measure targets quicker than someone else.

Accuracy trumps speed EVERY time.

After starting up the software, you get a choice of easy mode profiling or the slightly more complex mode where you have a lot more control over what’s going on.

select a profiling workflow

Easy mode skips some of the testing and just goes straight through the target printing, measurement, profile building and saving stages.

if you are using a printer manufacturers’ paper, with the printer manufacturers’ inks, and you are sure the printer is working perfectly (nozzle check) then this is a perfectly valid choice.

My own feeling is that Spyder3 Print and its very comprehensive help notes really deserve most users going for the Advanced option – this product is not at all difficult to use and a little while understanding some of the nuances in making profiles could produce much better results. You may not need all the really advanced features, but at least they are there if you want them.

Do remember though that I’m looking at the Spyder3 Print from the point of view of someone who does this sort of stuff quite regularly. It’s quite obvious that a lot of effort has gone into making the Spyder3 Print attractive for colour management newcomers too.

I’ll show examples from the ‘Advanced Profiling with Full Options’ workflow in the rest of this article (note, there are some even more advanced options I’ll cover later). The Easy profiling follows the same procedure but reduces the number of various options at each stage.

You can see the number of patches in a profiling target rising through the list.

selecting a profiling target type

The target above shows the 225 patch target – this time with the extended greys target as well.

Roll your mouse over over the image below to see the greys target.

The image below shows the 150 patch target.

basic 150 patch printer profiling target

Note that you can print loads of patches if you really want to, but as I’ve said – practice a few times with the 150 patch target first.

Most problems I see people getting when they first try kit like this come from either not taking enough care with the printer set-up and measurements, or not taking the time to understand more of what is going on. This isn’t difficult unless you want to make it so…

If you are really keen on making lots of measurements, here’s the full set that I tried a while ago when making a profile for PermaJet Fibre Base Gloss paper for an Epson R2400 with a PermaJet Eco-Flo ink system.

full set of targets

The profile from all those patches was excellent, and the black and white printing was better than using the Epson ABW print mode.

Whilst ABW works a treat on Epson papers, when you switch to third party inks or papers it -can- show minor colour casts and non linearity much more noticeably. Whilst I only tested this on Epson printers (I’m still waiting for the ones from HP and Canon. ;-)

I’ve no reason to doubt the profiling capacity on other makes of printer.

Do remember when testing third party papers that some printer/ink/paper combinations just don’t work too well, and no amount of profiling will fix it – if you think this is the case, get over it, and try another paper. ;-)

I’ve jumped ahead a bit there in showing all the target types, but since target make-up is often discussed up front when looking at different approaches to profiling then I though I’d cover this first.

Printing Targets

I’m starting the profiling process by defining my printer – this helps keep track of what I’m doing and all the settings I’ve decided to use.

This record keeping is very important if you make a range of profiles and then want to compare them.

You can see I’m using an Epson 7800 and an Innova paper here. I’ve put in a media driver setting since I happen to know this from previous experiments, but you can leave it at this stage if you don’t know.

define printer for profiling

Next I get the option to check that my printer is working properly.

If the printer isn’t working consistently then sort it out first – this will mess up your profiles if you don’t get it right.

Notice that you can print the pattern in 4 different positions on an A4 (or US Letter) size of paper – this helps save on paper…

is the printer working properly?

Next a vitally important part of the process, get this wrong and you will get inferior results.

media settings check

Media settings checks are one area where I feel many printer profiling solutions are letting down their users.

This is particularly important if you use third party inks or papers – they usually work just fine -BUT- they are not what the printer driver was written for, so there may be the need for adjustments.

I’ve written a short article about just how important media setting are – it’s based on some of my tests made for the writing of several of my reviews.

The help files in Spyder3 Print are extremely useful, and some of the most comprehensive I’ve come across.

I’m usually quite blunt when talking to people about doing their own profiling. Either make the effort to understand a bit of what’s going on, or accept that your results may not be as good as they could be.
I’m going to assume that anyone who has got this far into the article is interested in quality results and isn’t afraid of learning something new :-)

getting media setting right

When printing targets, the usual procedure is to make sure that driver colour management is switched off, however this isn’t always the case. As ever there is info in the help files.

print with no colour management in the driver

One refinement is that since the patches are not exact sizes, you can print the target a bit bigger on the page.

optimising target print sizes


After leaving the targets to dry, you can measure them.

Whilst you can measure some papers within 10-20 minutes, there’s nothing to be lost with a longer wait. For my own profiles I’ll often leave them overnight.

If you’re really keen you can repeatedly measure the same few patches over time using the spot measurement function (see later). Record the results and see how they change over time.

I’ve told loads of people to try this and only ever bothered once myself, several years ago. :-)

Before you can make measurements you need to calibrate the Spectrocolorimeter using the supplied base unit.

spectrocolorimeter calibration

This takes a few seconds and now you can select where to store the measurement set you are about to create.

picking a useful name for profile measurements

You need to let the software know what sort of target you’ll be reading.

choosing the measurement file format

At this stage you could just select an existing measurement file to add measurements into (see below).

Why do this? Well the phone might ring and you have to go out, you can save partial measurement files and pick up again later (although in the interests of consistency, it’s always best to print all your targets in one go and measure them in one go).

I happened to measure the high quality target and greys target separately, since I’d printed them in two goes. You can see my two measurement files in the screen below.

I could have avoided this by selecting the new two page option that includes greys and allows you to do the whole process in one go, saving a few steps. Of course, doing it independently allows me to use that grey measurement file with a 3 page 729 patch target if I wanted.

adding measurements to existing files

The chart shows up with blank spaces for you to fill.

The one below shows the two page target selected for measurement (page 1 colours, page 2 greys).

As you take each measurement the insertion point (the bright red triangle) moves forward. You even get acoustic feedback and a different sound at the end of a row.

set for patch measurement

Take your time, this is not a race…

The measurement window allows you to show measured values as well as what the target should be.

Note that these will -always- be different unless you happen to be testing ‘the perfect printer’. ;-) The display allows you to quickly switch between the measured values and the target ones (or a combination). You should be able to spot inconsistencies. To re-measure patches, use the keyboard arrow keys to move back to a patch – this is where your next measurement will be inserted. if measuring multiple sheets, check each one before moving on.

Look carefully at the results. In the greys chart below (this is from when I measured the grey chart on its own), notice row 13.

extended greyscale target

There is an obviously faulty reading at 13D (look at the printed chart to check – it might just be your printer).

Fortunately I can go back and repeat patch measurements. In this case I’d do the entire row (note 13F as well).

Once I’ve got a set of measurements I can build a profile.

The help files are once again comprehensive, and try to explain why you can do various things, not just how to do them.

more information of profile creation

When creating a profile, remember to give it a meaningful name.

If you use a particular profile for printing, then all the printer settings need to be the same as when you created the profile. A consistent naming convention helps.

Having half a dozen profiles all named ‘profile1’ to ‘profile6’ may not be that helpful in six months time.

naming your printer profiles

That’s it – the profile gets made and put into the correct place for your system.

You then get a chance to see what your profile looks like in ‘Soft Proof’.

I’m not going to cover details of soft proofing here, but suffice to say that when it works well, it allows you to get a good idea of what a print will look like, without having to print.

Effective soft proofing requires attention to the lighting conditions you view prints in, as well as any adjustments you might make on screen. It is very helpful -if- you understand what is going on.

Once again, much criticism of its effectiveness I’ve seen has come from people who have not taken the time to learn what it can do and just as importantly what it -can’t- do. As you’d expect, the help files are of real use here.

spyderproof test images

The image above is also available as a file that you can print to test your profile in action.

Note – We’ve been given permission by Datacolor to host the full size image and include the full descriptive text about how to use it. For details see our Test Images page.

Clicking on any section of the image allows you to zoom in, while the various options allow you to try different rendering intents. (Read the help again! ;-)

That’s it – you’ve a profile for your printer.

If you’ve taken care with printing the target and making measurements, then it should be a pretty good profile.

However, one of the real strengths of the Spyder3Print package is that it allows you to refine your profile generation. Either to get even better profiles or just to try and iron out some kinks in your particular paper/ink/printer choice.

Advanced features

There are a whole host of profile building options available.

The screenshot below shows the -basic- adjustments.

I’d always suggest you try a profile with just the default settings/adjustments to start with.

Remember, you can only ‘fix’ things so much with profiling. Over the years I’ve had to find several (usually) tactful ways of telling people that “Sorry, your printer is a cheap old pile of junk – get a new one”.

profile creation settings

I’ll just show one example of an adjustment that you can make.

If you take a print and look at it in bright daylight, and then in dim lighting you should notice that the amount of shadow detail you can see varies widely. When I’m producing my large black and white prints for some locations I have to allow for this.

The ‘PreciseLight Brightness’ slider allows you to produce profiles optimised for different viewing conditions. You will have to experiment with this to find how it’s of use for you (as ever read the help files).

The image below shows a screen capture of part of the PDI test image, soft proofed in Photoshop, with a default profile.

If you move your mouse over the image it shows two other versions of the profile created using the PreciseLight slider (one for bright, one for dim).

Note that you don’t have to re-measure your printed target for this.

The profile generation software can build lots of different profile versions from the one set of measurements.

I’ve said before that having accurate measurements is important.

There is an averaging function that allows you to take a pair of measurement files and average them. All measurement systems have errors, this is one way of reducing them.

averaging measurement files

By tweaking the profile generation parameters it’s possible to add toning and tinting effects to the print. You don’t need to do anything to your image, you just print it with a specific profile (this is where soft proofing can help a lot).

presets for tinting and toning

There are even more options in the ‘Advanced’ section.

You can import Photoshop ACV curves files, decide how the greys in your profile relate to paper colour and a stack of other stuff.

If you are going to experiment here, the make sure you’ve got plenty of paper and ink, since there is no better way of understanding what these adjustments do than printing out lots of known test images and comparing them.

Most users probably won’t (initially) want to get anywhere near this, but the important thing is that the functionality is there if you need it.

advanced profiling options

Exporting targets

You don’t need to print your targets from within the Spyder3 print application. All the targets are available as tiff files.

You can see the range of files supplied below (a screenshot of the targets folder on my Mac). This even includes targets spaced out for printing on CDs.

One other advantage is that you can profile a printer that is not connected to your printer. An example would be sending off some targets to be printed by your photolab (or CD/DVD duplicator).

profiling target files

One final feature I’ll mention, is the ability to take individual spot measurements.

Just place the spectro where you want the measurement, press the button and you’ve got Lab and density measurements.

If you make a series of measurements, then these can be exported in a file.

spot colour measurement

Note the mention of QTR on the panel – QuadToneRIP. QTR is aimed at specialist black and white printing, but you can also use it to generate luminance only icc profiles to linearise black and white printing. There is a section in the help files that describes different options for black and white printing and profiling.

Note, I’d written an article about B/W profiling doing this, using the old version of PrintFIX PRO – it’s now even easier to do

There is a whole section of the help files discussing black and white printing, with lots of useful information. You should note that it is only the more recent ‘two grey’ inkjet printers that give the best monochrome results with normal colour inks.

The Spyder3 Print also supports profiling of ‘ICC compatible’ monochrome ink sets.

This from the help file:

“The most effective MIS inkset for ICC-based control is called UT-3D. Inks for the following Epson printer models are available as UT-3D inks:

  • R200, R220
  • R300, R300M, R320, R340
  • RX500, RX580, RX600, RX620
  • R800, R1800 (may use a different inkset name)
  • 1280, 1290
  • 2100, 2200, 4000, 7600, 9600
  • 2400, 3800, 4800, 7800, 9800

Jon Cone’s InkJet Mall K6 and K7 inks in any tint can be profiled with Spyder3Print.”


>> Note – we were testing the public beta version of V3.5, which ran perfectly well on our test Mac.

I’ve used the PrintFIX PRO in the past and found it produced very good profiles. The Spyder3 Print builds on this. With care in measurement and the extra greys target, the black and white performance can be very good.

I do find that it takes some practice to get really good sets of measurements – not that much, but I wouldn’t suggest your first profile is built with the 729 patch 3 page target with the extra page of greys.

Color Management book

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My usual suggestion is Bruce Fraser's Real World Colour Management. My own copy is well thumbed. It's my first port of call if I'm asked a question and I feel I don't quite understand an issue well enough to be absolutely sure of an answer.

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I did notice a slight ‘liberty’ in the arithmetic when describing the combined 225 and 238 patch target (HQ Color & Ext Grays.) as a ‘500’ patch target, but the product otherwise seems relatively free from the dead hand of marketing. :-)

More effort has gone into providing easy routes through the profiling process (such as the ‘500’ combined target), without sacrificing the functionality offered through the more advanced modes of working.

For people who like to tinker, there are options galore, although to get the benefits from this aspect of the package you probably need to read up on Colour Management.

The suggested rendering intent for printing is Saturation, which is aimed to maximise the gamut of the printer. Since this can result in a slight loss of colour accuracy, some images might look better using Relative Colorimetric.

If you are profiling a new type of paper I’d always suggest printing out a test print using different settings, so as to get a feel for the differences – once you are happy with this, it can help make your soft proofing more accurate too.

It helps to remember why you are doing all this – to produce better prints of photographs. Don’t forget to go out and take some as well. ;-)

If you consider yourself a perfectionist, then be very careful when getting into colour management – it can be a tar pit that can suck you into always feeling that you could do that little bit better.

I used my own B/W test image to try out the black and white capabilities. It’s a very harsh test, and I suspect that with a bit more care in creating the profile I could produce B/W prints that meet my fairly exacting standards.

You may see arguments on forums about the relative merits of different measuring devices – I take the view that if the results are good then that’s the main feature. Also, like heated camera debates, a majority of those arguing won’t actually have the devices in question. I’ve got examples of every device reviewed on this site and am happy to answer more detailed questions about anything I’ve written.

The help files are very useful and make a good attempt at explaining some of the principles of what’s going on. There are also videos and other information on the Spyder web site.

I never found the measurement speed of the earlier versions an issue, if you did, then the extra speed should be of interest and the refined workflows should help any user.

Tip for extra accuracy in measurements – many measuring devices take a while to stabilise, typically there is an increased chance of a slight error in the first measurement, after that repeatability usually rises. As such when reading a chart, take a couple of measurements and then move the reading point back to the start (use the left arrow key) and then carry on as normal. Of course if you are going for the best accuracy, you might also want to consider making two sets of measurements and averaging them. Or how about three sets to spot mis-read pathes more easily? As you can see, if you want to really go overboard, then you can. Do remember that the improvements may be pretty marginal if you are tempted to follow this route ;-)

Worth noting too is the excellent SpyderProof test image which actually allows you to decide a lot more about your profile quality than just running off a few prints of your own. (Link to a copy of this image and usage notes you can download)

The image below is from an earlier test of the equipment and shows the difference in black and white print quality between a paper suppliers icc profile (the Magenta print under the colorimeter) and the Spyder3 Print version under that.

It also gives an idea of how much paper you can use up when testing this sort of stuff…

test prints for checking profiles

For a comparison of all the various Spyder options (as of May 2008), there is this info from Datacolor.

* Note that if you have a PrintFIX PRO, then do note that the free software update for the Spyder3Print package will work with your existing spectrocolorimeter.

Spyder products feature comparisons

Information from Datacolor:

Spyder3 V3 vs V4 software features (May 2010) – S3Elite V4 review

review of spyder 3 pro S3E info Review of Spyder 3 Elite V4.0
Gamma choices 1.8, 2.0, 2.2, 2,4 Unlimited Unlimited
Colour temp. 5000K, 5800K,
6500K, Native
Unlimited Unlimited
Ambient light measurement X X X
Multiple display calibration X X X
ReCAL – Recalibration assistant X X X
StudioMatch, multiple display targeting X X
Front projector calibration X X
Expert console X X
Software-based brightness control X
Luminance adj. automated for Mac X
Iterative grey balance option X
Compare & chart display gamuts X
Maps display evenness X
Graph & compare display’s tone response X
Charts white luminance & contrast X
Compare various monitor (OSD) settings X

Product features (late 2009)

   Review of Spyder2 express Spyder 3 Express review  Spyder3 pro review  Spyder 3 Elite review  Spyder 3 print review
Target User Home user & digital imaging enthusiast Home user & digital imaging enthusiast Serious & professional photographers Professional photographers, photography
studios and professional users of all kinds
Photographers, fine art printers, production professionals
Measurement Device Datacolor Spyder2 Datacolor Spyder3 Datacolor Spyder3 Datacolor Spyder3 Datacolor 1005 Spectrocolorimeter
Gamma Choices Fixed (2.2) Fixed (2.2) 4 choices: 1.8, 2.0, 2.2, 2.4
(16 target combinations)
Unlimited choices, user defined Unlimited choices, user defined
Colour Temperature Choices Fixed (6500K) 2 Choices 6500K/Native 4 choices: 5000K/5800K/ 6500K /native
(16 target combinations)
Unlimited choices, user defined Unlimited choices, user defined
Custom Targets Yes, unique custom choices
(NTSC, PAL/ SECAM, Cineon, L-Star)
Yes, 3 levels of colour targets, plus extended gray targets
Embedded Ambient Light Sensor/Desktop Cradle X X Desktop cradle /calibration tile
Aperture Size 14.5mm diameter 27mm diameter 27mm diameter 27mm diameter 7mm diameter
Ambient Light Measure X X N/A
ReCAL, Recalibration Assistant X X N/A
Expert Console X X
Custom B/W Luminance Control X X
Display History Utility X N/A
SpyderProof Interface X X X
Multiple Display Calibration X X N/A
Studio Match X N/A
Front Projector Calibration X N/A
Gamma Curve Editing X X
CheckCAL, Calibration and Profile Check X X X N/A
L-Star* Workflow Option X X
Custom Curves Capability X X
PreciseLight Functions X X
Hi-Bit Profiling Option X
Precision Gray Axis Algorithm X X X X


Buying the SpyderPrint (current version)

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It won’t cost any more (nor less we’re afraid) but will contribute towards the running costs of our site.


Purchase From B&H (also helps us)

If you already have the PrintFIX Pro or Spyder3 Print then the upgrade to V3.5 is a no-brainer (it’s free!).

Patch reading has been considerably speeded up compared with earlier versions, if you feel the need for timing your patch reading efforts. ;-)

Spyder3 Print 3.5 and other software updates from Datacolor.

Good basic profiles and a host of features to allow you to make even better profiles if you want.

Comprehensive and genuinely helpful help files available.

Excellent black and white (greyscale) enhanced profiles for use with ordinary printer drivers, with support for more advanced black and white printing techniques.

Full range of target files available for remote profiling, or devices not directly connected to your computer.

Update – do check our review of the latest version Spyder3Print SR – a free software update is available for Spyder3Print and PrintFIX PRO users


  • Mac OS X (10.3 or higher)
  • Windows XP 32/64, Vista 32/64
  • USB
  • Colour monitor resolution 1024×768 or greater
  • 16-bit video card (24-bit recommended)
  • 128MB of available RAM
  • 100MB of available hard disk space

Just remember that to get the very best results, you -will- need to make some effort to really understand what you are doing … and -why- you are doing various things.

More colour management and printing related information

For information about printers, paper reviews and profiling (colour management) see the Printing section of the main printers and printing page, or use the search box at the top of any page.
All colour management articles and reviews are indexed on the main Colour Management page - please do let Keith know if you've any questions, either via the comments or just email us?

Some specific articles that may be of interest:  

  • Why don't my prints match my screen? A short article showing why there is more to getting your prints to match your screen, than just calibrating your monitor. It's the vital first step, but you do need to consider some other factors for best results.
  • Why are my prints too dark - some basic suggestions to this common problem.


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