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Out at night with the 7D

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Photography at night with the Canon 7D camera

Looking at EOS 7D higher ISO performance

More of Keith’s quick looks at the Canon 7D

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Looking at high ISO photography with the Canon 7D

The EOS 7D ISO settings go up to 12800, although it should be noted that the 12800 or ‘H’ setting needs enabling in the custom settings.

I’ve looked at aspects of high ISO noise earlier and decided that 6400 ISO should be capable of some interesting results in normal city lighting.

All the shots below were taken hand-held with a 14mm 2.8L II lens on the camera. Mostly in Av mode at f/4 which gives reasonable DOF with this lens. From previous night time shooting experience, I selected a -2/3 stop under exposure to stop light sources from burning out too much.

The -2/3EV adjustment means I’m effectively shooting at 10,000 ISO – something I could only imagine when I used to go out with my Olympus OM2 and 50/1.2 , back in film days.

Of course, if I wanted top quality images I’d be shooting at 100 ISO and with a good solid tripod – but not this time ;-)

I’ll start off with some observations about this shot of a bus shelter.

Night time bus shelter

Night time bus shelter

The image above has had a degree of recovery applied (to dampen down the highlights) and I’ve tweaked CA correction and Noise Reduction settings.

More problematic is the combination of fluorescent lighting in the shelter and sodium street lighting in the road. The camera’s suggested readings were good, but a bit too yellow. For shots like this I trust to my judgement and a good calibrated monitor.  If I’d needed any areas of more accurate colour, I might have got my colorchecker passport out, but this is just a few shots on a walk round near where I live…

Shooting info (ACR)

Shooting info (ACR)

I also tried using Canon’s DPP RAW software and with a bit of tweaking it produced an image quite similar.

Different RAW converters on a 7D file

Different RAW converters on a 7D file

Different conversion software can have quite an effect on high ISO images like this. I like to have several options to choose from if need be.

The example below shows an example of Noise reduction in Canon’s DPP software (the image is at 100% in this screen grab)

Noise reduction settings in DPP

Noise reduction settings in DPP

Noise reduction settings are very much a question of taste and what you want to use the image for.

I do use DPP every so often, but from a usability point of view, the RAW conversion features are just a bit clunky for my tastes.

The 100% crop below shows the sort of detail that’s present in the image.

100% crop showing image detail

100% crop showing image detail

Not far away is the old church of St Mary de Castro.

It’s floodlit, but there was a service being held and I noticed the window, near the 12th century doorway (bottom rh corner)

St Mary de Castro, Leicester

St Mary de Castro, Leicester

This is the sort of shot I’d normally think of using a shift lens with, but with a bit of photoshop correction, gives an interesting view of the window. Hand held, resting on a railing, 1/8 second f/4

The picture below is a crop of the one above.

Stained glass window at St Mary de castro

Stained glass window at St Mary de Castro

Not far away is  the new Business and Law building at De Montfort University – definitely one I’ll have to return to with shift lenses , the 1Ds3 and a tripod.

De Montfort University - new building

De Montfort University – new building

Looking back from here is a much older space.

Alms house in the Newarke, Leicester

Alms houses in the Newarke, Leicester

Black and white conversion needs some care at higher ISO settings.

I’ve moved the tint of the raw conversion to the green, to enhance the amount of green channel information in the picture, whilst lowering the contributions from the noisier red and blue channels. Just remember that to create a good B/W image you do not need a perfect colour one to start with. I always do my RAW conversion thinking of what I want the B/W image to look like – not the colour one I see on the screen.

This was the version I converted to B/W

White balance for optimal B/W

White balance for optimal B/W

The important bit to look at when adjusting the colour temperature sliders, is the histogram. Look at how noise in the different channels appears more prominently as you adjust things. Combine this with other adjustments (recovery, fill, black level) to get an image that will produce your best B/W version.  As ever you -will- need to experiment with this ;-)

High ISO work?

A good camera, given the tiny pixels that have been crammed in. I’d be quite happy using this with any of Canon’s fast primes for night time work. The viewfinder  is nice and bright, and the quick settings of the camera are easy to use after you’ve goot the feel for where the buttons are.

Exposure was accurate, particularly with some under exposure to reduce burning out of lighting. I don’t take this adjustment as a problem – it’s based on what I like lights to look like in night time shots.

AF worked fine in these lighting conditions, although out of habit  I’ll invariably focus on a brighter more contrasty part of the scene and recompose.

Perhaps because my first AF DSLR was my old 1Ds, I’m not expecting AF to lock onto low contrast areas in near darkness. I still use distance scales and an understanding of DOF to supplement AF if I feel it’s warranted – others may want the camera to relieve them of more of this mental effort…

Now I’ve tried the 7D I’m looking forward to seeing what the 1D mark 4 is like in low light (27MP FF equivalent pixels vs. 45MP for the 7D), not to mention whatever follows my 1Ds3 (actually 50.1MP with the 5Ds in 2015)

The Pound Store - 7D 6400 ISO - 1/50 @ f/4

The Pound Store – 7D 6400 ISO – 1/50 @ f/4

Note added about shooting rates in response to comment below.

Switching on high speed shooting is just something I’d not normally think of doing at night, so I just stepped out to the street (10pm here) and tried taking bursts of photos (AF off) at 12,800 ISO. At 1/100 second and faster the shutter seemed to fire at high speed. It felt slower at 1/50 and slower still at 1/30. By 1/25 it had easily halved the rate.

This didn’t change with changes in NR settings, but AF switched on at lower light levels did seem to slow the rate slightly – but only by delaying the first shot or two

Given the time needed to move the mirror and check metering I was not surprised by this. There was no real difference when switched from Av to M, so I suspect it is a combination of shutter/mirror  re-cocking that in conjunction with shutter speed is causing a slowdown.  Never having tried such an experiment on a 1D, I’ve no real data to compare things to.

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  • Keith | Apr 23, 2013 at 8:36 am

    Start reading the manual quickly – there is no such thing as ‘the best settings’.

    At this short notice put it on auto and raise the flash…

    …but read the section of the manual about flash exposure compensation, and fill flash.

  • Vicky V | Apr 23, 2013 at 7:56 am

    I hv a family function out doors this Thursday… 100 people will be around and want to capture great pic from my Canon 7D (newly bought)…

    Pls let me know the best settings to capture these movements and using the tripod…and having long shutter speed will not work, since they will be lot of movement in and around and if I’m to use a flash what should that be ??

    Thank you in advance for your tutorials..

    Vicky V

  • Keith | Jul 17, 2011 at 11:36 am

    A good camera for B&W is a good camera for colour – most reasonable ones have a B&W mode.

    The best B&W shots are usually created from turning colour into B&W -after- they have been taken

  • Nicola | Jul 16, 2011 at 11:53 pm

    Hello i love black and white imagery and i would like to find out which camera is a good one to use for black and white imagery? that has use with colour digital photos.

  • Keith | Dec 9, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    Yup it slows down, but I only really noticed it as being related to shutter speed, not light level. Not a detailed test, but not greatly surprising, given the shutter design

  • Ciprian Trofin | Dec 9, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    Thank you, Keith.

    Other reviewers (Alek Komarnitsky @, the Canon Rumors Guy) and at least one forum member at POTN showed evidence of slowdown on low light conditions.

    The relevant links:

  • Keith | Dec 8, 2009 at 11:11 pm

    Ciprian – see note just added at the end of the article.

  • Ciprian Trofin | Dec 8, 2009 at 10:03 pm

    By any chance, were you able to notice a hefty drop in shooting speed (frame rate) during your night experiment ?

  • Adam | Dec 8, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    Keith, less testing of this camera, and more info on where the Mk IV is please! :p
    Some of us are sitting here with nothing to do!


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