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EOS Rm Rumours

Mirrorless APS-C EOS R camera


How does the Canon APS-C range of DSLRs and lenses move to mirrorless?

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Do we have any guide from past cameras? …

  Crop  00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020
            1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4
Best Full       1Ds 1Ds Mk II 1Ds Mk III 1D X 1DX II 1DX III
1.3     1D 1D Mk II 1D MkIIn 1D Mk III 1D Mk IV                  
video                             1D C        
High Full                               5Ds/5Dsr
            5D 5D Mk II 5D Mk III 5D Mk IV
1.6                   7D 7D Mk II
'Better'  Full                                               6D 6D 2
1.6 D30 D60 10D 20D 30D 40D 50D 60D 70D 80D 90D
Mid 1.6         300D
Rebel
Kiss
350D
XT
Kiss N
400D
XTi
Kiss X
450
XSi
X2
500
T1i
X3
550
T2i
X4
600
T3i
X5
650
T4i
X6i
700D
T5i
X7i
760D T6s 77D
        750D T6i 800D T7i
Micro 1.6                                 100D SL1 X7 200D SL2 250D
Entry 1.6                   1000D / XS / F 1100D / T3 / X50 1200D T5 X70 1300D T6 2000D T7
                                    4000D
EOS R
Mirror
-less
Full                               EOS R
                              EOS RP
EF-M
Mirror
-less
1.6                               M5
                              M50
                            M M2 M3 M6 M6 II
                              M10 M100 M200

Note: dates start in announcement quarter, not shipping dates. Video capable 4k

Digic | Digic 2 | Digic 3 dual | Digic 4 dual | Digic 5 dual | Digic 6 dual | Digic 7 dual | Digic 8 dual | Digic X dual

What does the RF mount mean for EF/EF-S & EF-M?
– see Keith’s articles about Canon’s changing lens mounts
and When will Keith switch to EOS R

2019 December

16th The only rumour [no specs or features] we’ve heard of relating to an APS-C EOS R camera is that any upcoming 850D will be matched later in the year with a mirrorless version.  This was suggested (thanks) alongside a note that the EOS M5 seems discontinued in some markets.

14th Two things make a Canon APS-C mirrorless camera in the EOS R range more likely.

  • Nikon’s Z50 – shows one way to fit in APS-C to your mirrorless range
  • APS-C saves money in manufacturing – the XXXD and XXD range of DSLRs, along with all those EF-S lenses are short of somewhere to move to. EOS M doesn’t cut it for many, whilst an APS-C EOS R will work fine with EF-S lenses, EF lenses and RF lenses, both for full frame and some potentially nifty RF crop sensor lenses.

A look at the current range, with some suggestions for where they may go.

mirrorless-predictions-12_19

Taking the sensor of the new M6ii/90D and putting it into an APS-C version of the EOS RP body will make for a potentially cheaper body and something for XXD and XXXD/’rebel’ users to move to.

The M line gets to concentrate on small size, whilst the APS-C EOS R becomes an easy transition camera from EF-S mount DSLRs and an easy feed into full frame EOS R cameras, which Canon wants, so as to sell more profitable cameras/lenses.

It’s my opinion that any APS-C EOS R’M’ needs to be relatively well specced and not obviously crippled. The days of being able to have 7 crop cameras and micro managing the steps/features between them is over. The specs of any new camera like this will really show if Canon actually ‘Gets it’ over the way the market is changing.

Oh and the new cameras need to be easy to use for people steeped in the capabilities of phone cameras for sharing/editing – in some ways this is probably the most difficult for the camera companies to adapt to… 

9th Where are the camera makers going? Downhill quite quickly is one interpretation of recent sales figures. Some well thought out suggestions about what’s behind all this are well worth considering from Thom Hogan [TH]

September

7th The EOS M mk2 and 90D both feature a new 32MP APS-C sensor – how long until this sensor appears in an EOS R body? Likely not until the top end of the EOS R range has been filled out.

April

2nd What do you get with Canon’s EOS RP?

I’ve written up my EOS RP review about the camera and how I found it to use.

Here’s a shot taken with my old EF50mm F1.4, where the face detect AF (at f/1.4) has worked well, even with the bright background

rooftop

February

15th The full frame RP is on its way, so at least we have a bit of an idea how Canon intends naming them (for a few years yet). Of course, Canon could change its mind and we could go back to numbers. However, I think the choice of letters is a distinct aspect of Canon’s branding strategy for mirrorless.

  • EOS R  – medium
  • EOS RP – entry

What about versions pitched at some other levels.

  • 1D X level  – EOS RX?
  • 5Ds level – EOS RS?
  • 5D level – EOS RV?

What to go below RP? EOS R seems definitely full frame at the moment, but at some point the EOS M range just isn’t going to fit….

  • Crop sensor – EOS RC?  I suspect not (C for ‘Cine’?)
  • Crop sensor EOS RM – this page

If we look at the current and recently mentioned lenses for RF, there’s a very high level pitch.

  • RF15-35mm f/2.8L
  • RF24-70mm f/2.8L
  • RF24-105mm f/4L
  • RF24-240mm f/4-6.3
  • RF28-70mm f/2L
  • RF35mm f/1.8
  • RF50mm f/1.2L
  • RF70-200mm f/2.8L
  • RF85mm f/1.2L
  • RF85mm f/1.2L DS

Even if you call the EOS RP ‘entry level’, then the lenses it will have available are nowhere near the old EF-S18-55 kit level. The EOS RP and adapter is a great bonus for used EF lens sellers ;-)

I feel that crop sensors might be kept out of the EOS R brand for a while. The next few EOS R cameras are going to push the camera brand upwards to the level of those ‘L’ lenses.  We may well see a new base level XXXD level camera, but the 80D and 7D2 replacements didn’t get any more likely yesterday.

Lenses are a year or two ahead of EOS R body technology at the moment. A Canon presentation slide shows IBIS, in an uncharacteristically detailed bit of ‘coming soon’ info for Canon:

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