EOS 5Ds and 5Ds R mk2
EOS 5Ds and 5Ds R mk2
Replacement for the 5Ds and 5Ds R
When will 50MP no longer be enough?
At launch I picked a date for the 5Ds mkII … 2018
That’s looking as if it might slip to 2019 or even never if the next EOS R body turns out to be a high MP one.
EOS 5Ds Key features to beat are:
The timeline is always a good guide…
|Best||Full||1Ds||1Ds Mk II||1Ds Mk III||1D X||1DX II|
|1.3||1D||1D Mk II||1D MkIIn||1D Mk III||1D Mk IV|
|5D||5D Mk II||5D Mk III||5D Mk IV|
|1.6||7D||7D Mk II|
|Micro||1.6||100D SL1 X7||200D SL2|
|Entry||1.6||1000D / XS / F||1100D / T3 / X50||1200D T5 X70||1300D T6||2000D
Note: dates start in announcement quarter, not shipping dates. Video capable 4k
Digic | Digic 2 | Digic 3 dual | Digic 4 dual | Digic 5 dual | Digic 6 dual | Digic 7 dual | Digic 8
Latest news 5Ds mk2
13th I note a brief mention of the 5Ds follow-up moving to mirrorless [CR] – a natural enough speculation given it’s some three and a half years since the 5Ds started shipping.
Nikon’s Z7 puts aspects of D850 performance into a mirrorless body. So why not ‘just’ put the 5Ds sensor into an EOS-R style camera?
Well, the 5Ds sensor is not DPAF for starters. Not that this matters to many arm-chair camera design experts ;-)
I note rather a lot of ‘forum critique’ of the 5Ds comes from people who’ve never used one, from people who probably should have got a 5D mk4 (or even mk3) instead, or simply don’t use it for what it was intended for – such as choosing a 50MP camera and whinging about file size…
The issue of a camera having an AA filter or not is once again showing how many people are led by specs and advertising ‘messages’ rather than actual performance (see my 5D s/R comparison for why I regard choosing my 5Ds as simply a way of saving some money).
Time to remind myself that most photographers (myself included) are far more often limited by their own skill and vision, not the kit they use.
Personally I can wait until Canon have a sensor that offers more MP -and- better DR. The likelihood of it coming in a DSLR body just drops off, the longer it takes. I’ve thought about when I’ll move to an RF mount based camera but as yet, it’s still some way off.
10th I suspect that the EOS-R is the big message Canon want to give for Photokina later this month and we won’t see any DSLRs until 2019. As such I’ve updated the timeline above with an entry for the first EOS R camera.
Some Canon info suggests that cameras will appear above and below the EOS R level (roughly 6D mk2 IMHO). There is a clear sign of this in a Canon graphic from a Japanese article (see the EOS R/mirrorless page for more)
At the right is the 5Ds and 5D mk4. For the APS-C cameras at the right, the top two are 7DII and 80D. Bottom two are M5 and M6.
It looks as if the next full frame mirrorless cameras will be pitched at the 5 series level. I’m inclined to wonder if there won’t be a 5Ds mk2, just a higher MP model in the EOS R range?
As a serious user of the 5Ds, I’ve written up some of my own thoughts about when I’ll move to an RF mount based camera – not for a bit, but it will happen.
22nd When the 5Ds mk2 arrives will we still get ‘s’ and ‘s R’ versions? Ever since getting my 5Ds I’ve wondered if I was missing out by getting the ‘s’ version?
Well, after a recent quick 5Ds/5DS R test with the TS-E50 lens, I’m fairly certain I know whether I saved a few hundred quid, or missed out on sharper photos ;-) YMMV!
9th A suggestion [CR] that the 5Ds Mk2 is for next year – that’s just fine here, our 5Ds is working well, and the longer an update takes, the more noticeable any jump should be.
21st No news at all of a 5Ds mk2 – there’s much wailing on some fan sites that it ‘needs’ an update soon.
Well, having just been out testing the Canon TS-E50mm on my 5Ds, I see a lens that will likely work really well at 100+MP. Does this make me think the 5Ds is too old? No, not a bit of it. I’m inclined to think that many of the whingers should get a 5D Mk4 and be done with it ;-)
The 5D3 lasted some 4 1/2 years… and if I’m honest, I’m happy to wait a bit longer if it means we see a significant jump in MP and the use of dual Digic 8.
At the moment I’m still expecting an 80D replacement first followed by the 7D mk3 and then the 5Ds mk2 in the spring of 2019 with a hefty bump in performance – if we see it in the summer of 2018 then it’s likely to be a much less of a headline grabber.
Anyway, as yet there’s no real signs of any replacement.
11th A suggestion of a no more than 10% increase in pixel count [CR] makes me think that my ‘skip a generation’ policy may well apply to my 5Ds as it did to my 1Ds and 1Ds3 [Why I turned down an upgrade]
Image quality issues just don’t cause me any problems with the 5Ds, and if I wanted video/fps/AF performance, well, there’s the latest 5D. Who knows, maybe Canon will bring out a true high MP body in a 1 series body again…
6th A long away tip suggests 60MP later next year [CR] but specifications for cameras that far out are usually beyond what even Canon knows as yet ;-)
Add in the usual suspects (wifi, 4k video) and you have something to stir the rumour pot…
OK I’ll bite… no, 60MP won’t get me to update my 5Ds, unless the sensor is phenomenally more capable (video performance, FPS and even AF performance are still irrelevant for my paying work – you want that sort of stuff, buy a 1DX 2/5D4)
Maybe Canon will one day be able to provide a good ETTR exposure mode – myself and others have only really been asking for something like this for 15 years or so)
March 10th In classic ‘no news almost becomes news’, I note that the 5Ds replacement is still not expected this year [CR]
From my own POV, that’s great, since I’d be unlikely to update to 70MP, but 100+MP makes that a bit more likely.
I see also how this non story has now mutated and expanded amongst the ‘we said it first’ rumour trivia sites to take on a life of its own ;-)
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14th I’ve asked around and the best I get is a ‘no time soon’ for a 5Ds update.
Of course, ‘soon’ is a very fluid concept in this area, so I’m always drawn to the timeline, which of course doesn’t predict entirely new products, but gives clues to updates, especially when associated with Canon’s product development cycles, which can seem a bit conservative from some forum vantage points ;-)
Personally, I’d be surprised to see something announced in 2017, it’s just not far enough ahead for a noticeable jump in performance/features [then again I never saw the 1DX as a successor to the 1Ds3]
My own bias is that I’ve got a 5Ds and as a relatively niche camera, I won’t look at an update that doesn’t make visible improvements (so perhaps a 5Ds3 for me ;-)
If you look at the processors on the time line, you’ll see that each major new release (FF) moves forward in processor version.
The reception of this ‘rumour’ has been interesting to see.
I’ve followed numerous forum threads about this suggested update with interest and amusement, and apart from the numerous ‘my *** is bigger than your *** ‘ style posts there seems to be a number of themes
“The 5D IV didn’t do enough for X, so the 5Ds mk2 can fix this”
X being video, ‘DR’, High ISO – take your pick. I assumed that the 5Ds and 5D lines were aimed at different markets.
“I may not know how to use what I’ve got properly, but a better camera will fix it”
The perennial complaint I’ve seen on forums as long as I’ve followed them. The “I may not know” bit is of course usually implied rather than stated… ;-)
Expect more of this random noise in rumourland as we move into the ‘thin news’ time after a new 5D appears…
12th A suggested 2017 update for the 5Ds [CR]
Dual Digic 7 and DPAF with a modest jump in MP still seem something for 2018 unless the 5D4 was developed with an eye on a quick to roll out ‘s’ version.
– Note comments from Dec 2015 below and the timeline above
27th The launch of the 5D mk4 at 30MP raises the question of when Canon will bump up the pixels to over 100MP. If the 5 series moves to a longer lifecycle, the replacement for the 5Ds might be pushed out as far as 2019.
Personally I’d rather wait until 2019 and see a ~140MP sensor than 80-90MP in 2018 :-)
17th A suggestion that the 5Ds and 5Ds R may get an update ‘sooner’ than might be expected, with a 5D4 style body and updated sensor [CR]
Not in 2016 I’d suggest – which puts such info well into the speculation category at the moment.
As a day to day user of the 5Ds, I see no reason for an early update – the 5D mk4 is surely aimed at 5D mk3 users.
The 5Ds and 5Ds R were never an upgrade path for many 5D3 users, or am I missing some egregious defect in the camera I earn my living with ;-)
11th More info about the working Canon 120MP camera that’s being shown at the Canon Expo [PB] The demo camera has a sensor in a 5Ds body
The sample camera is only taking shots at 100ISO
It’s an APS-H sensor, so a full frame version would come in at ~200MP
Shall we see a 200MP 5Ds mk2 in 2018? or if they get it working sooner, a rather expensive 1DXs announced in 2016 (shipping well into 2017)
As with any Canon ‘interviews’ don’t expect too much in the way of insight ;-)
6th Cameras finally announced
There is a very good overview of the cameras and technology at CPN
5th We’re told that Canon is not done with its basic new 5D design and that a 5D C will appear later this year to go with a 5D mk4.
See the 5D4 page, although since I don’t use video at all, I’m unclear how much sense this makes?
4th Prices are leaked [PR]
Canon EOS 5Ds: €3,499 (around $4,000)
Canon EOS 5Ds R (no low-pass filter): €3,699 (around $4,200)
Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L USM: €2,999 (around $3,400)
30th Two new 5D variants are suggested, both with a 50.6MP full frame CMOS sensor
An EOS 5DS R version will be without low-pass filter
Magnesium alloy body, dust and water sealed
High precision 61 AF points, EOS iTR AF
150,000 pixel RGB + IR photometry sensor
New “fine detail” picture style
1.3x and 1.6x crop modes
Customisable “Quick Control Screen”
Time-lapse movie, Interval Timer, Bulb timer
This info (and pic) first appeared on a Japanese site [DC – Google xlt]
From my own POV, it will be a nuisance to move from a 1 series body, but its a big enough jump from my 1Ds3 (which the 1D X wasn’t) to make it pretty much a no-brainer for our architectural work. The question remains though as to how much difference the AA filter makes?
At [CR] there is a suggestion that the relatively low max ISO is from a much stronger set of colour filters than usual – more welcome news if so.
We’ve also had a comment [thanks] that the 5D mark 4 is due for an August launch, and will be an update aimed at a much wider audience than the 5Ds
If you were interested in the new 11-24 lens that will probably be announced at the same time, see the animation on the main lens page comparing it to the 8-15 and EF14 II – that is a lot of glass!
9th Three versions of a new 5D are suggested [CR] an updated 5D4 and two 5Ds models with and without AA filtering, at ~53MP
30th With a rumoured high MP DSLR from Canon (main rumour page) I note that at [CR] they have been told that the camera could be the 5D mk4, which could also fit in with suggestions that the 6D2 will move upmarket.
Earlier rumours – see the 5D mk4 rumour page
|Canon EOS 5DS||Canon EOS 5DS R|
|MSRP||$3699/£2999/€3999 (body only)||$3899/£3199/€4249 (body only)|
|Body type||Mid-size SLR|
|Body material||Magnesium alloy|
|Max resolution||8688 x 5792|
|Image ratio w:h||3:2, 16:9|
|Effective pixels||51 megapixels|
|Sensor photo detectors||53 megapixels|
|Sensor size||Full frame (36 x 24 mm)|
|Sensor size notes||Offers 1.6x and 1.3x crop modes, as well as medium and small Raw sizes.|
|Processor||Dual DIGIC 6|
|Color space||sRGB, Adobe RGB|
|Color filter array||Primary color filter|
|ISO||Auto, 100-6400 (expandable to 12800)|
|White balance presets||8|
|Custom white balance||Yes|
|JPEG quality levels||Fine, normal|
|File format||JPEG (Exif v2.3, DPOF v2.0)
Raw (Canon CR2, 14-bit)
|Optics & Focus|
|Autofocus||Contrast Detect (sensor)
|Autofocus assist lamp||No|
|Number of focus points||61|
|Lens mount||Canon EF|
|Focal length multiplier||1×|
|Screen / viewfinder|
|Screen type||ClearView II TFT-LCD|
|Viewfinder type||Optical (pentaprism)|
|Minimum shutter speed||30 sec|
|Maximum shutter speed||1/8000 sec|
|Exposure modes||Scene Intelligent Auto
Shutter Priority AE
Aperture Priority AE
|External flash||Yes (via hot shoe and PC sync port)|
|Flash X sync speed||1/200 sec|
Silent single shooting
Silent continuous shooting
|Continuous drive||5.0 fps|
|Self-timer||Yes (2 or 10 secs)|
|Exposure compensation||±5 (at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)|
|AE Bracketing||±3 (3 frames at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)|
|Resolutions||1920 x 1080 (30p, 25p, 24p), 1280 x 720 (60p, 50p), 640 x 480 (30p, 25p)|
|Videography notes||Supports ALL-I and IPB compression|
|Storage types||SD/SDHC/SDXC (UHS-I compatible), CompactFlash|
|USB||USB 3.0 (5 GBit/sec)|
|Remote control||Yes (Wired and wireless)|
|Environmentally sealed||Yes (dust and water-resistent)|
|Battery description||LP-E6 lithium-ion battery & charger|
|Battery Life (CIPA)||700|
|Weight (inc. batteries)||930 g (2.05 lb / 32.80 oz)|
|Dimensions||152 x 116 x 76 mm (5.98 x 4.57 x 2.99″)|
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