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EOS 5Ds and 5Ds R mk2

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EOS 5Ds and 5Ds R mk2

Replacement for the 5Ds and 5Ds R


When will 50MP no longer be enough? First guess at a date for the 5Ds mkII … 2018

Let’s pick 80MP and a non-bayer sensor, which would remove any need for an AA filter.

How about an EVF?

Really, there is no info yet – go away and take some photos! ;-)

EOS 5Ds Key features to beat are:

5ds mk2

The timeline is always a good guide…

  Crop  2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017
            1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4
Best Full       1Ds 1Ds Mk II 1Ds Mk III 1D X 1DX II
1.3     1D 1D Mk II 1D MkIIn 1D Mk III 1D Mk IV                    
video                             1D C          
High Full                               5Ds/5Dsr
            5D 5D Mk II 5D Mk III 5D Mk IV
1.6                     7D 7D Mk II
'Better'  Full                             6D 6D 2
1.6 D30 D60 10D 20D 30D 40D 50D 60D 70D 80D
Mid 1.6         300D
Rebel
Kiss
350D
XT
Kiss N
400D
XTi
Kiss X
450D
XSi
X2
500D
T1i
X3
550D
T2i
X4
600D
T3i
X5
650D
T4i
X6i
700D
T5i
X7i
760D
T6s
77D
        750D
T6i
800D
T7i
Micro 1.6                           100D SL1 X7 200D
SL2
Entry 1.6                   1000D / XS / F 1100D / T3 / X50 1200D T5 X70 1300D T6
Mirror
-less
1.6                               M5
                            M M2 M3 M6
                              M10

Note: dates start in announcement quarter, not shipping dates.

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Latest news 5Ds mk2

2017 March

10th In classic ‘no news almost becomes news’, I note that the 5Ds replacement is still not expected this year [CR]

From my own POV, that’s great, since I’d be unlikely to update to 70MP, but 100+MP makes that a bit more likely.
I see also how this non story has now mutated and expanded amongst the ‘we said it first’ rumour trivia sites to take on a life of its own ;-)
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2016 October

14th I’ve asked around and the best I get is a ‘no time soon’ for a 5Ds update.

Of course, ‘soon’ is a very fluid concept in this area, so I’m always drawn to the timeline, which of course doesn’t predict entirely new products, but gives clues to updates, especially when associated with Canon’s product development cycles, which can seem a bit conservative from some forum vantage points ;-)
Personally, I’d be surprised to see something announced in 2017, it’s just not far enough ahead for a noticeable jump in performance/features [then again I never saw the 1DX as a successor to the 1Ds3]
My own bias is that I’ve got a 5Ds and as a relatively niche camera, I won’t look at an update that doesn’t make visible improvements (so perhaps a 5Ds3 for me ;-)

If you look at the processors on the time line, you’ll see that each major new release (FF) moves forward in processor version. 

The reception of this ‘rumour’ has been interesting to see.
I’ve followed numerous forum threads about this suggested update with interest and amusement, and apart from the numerous ‘my *** is bigger than your *** ‘ style posts there seems to be a number of themes
“The 5D IV didn’t do enough for X, so the 5Ds mk2 can fix this”

X being video, ‘DR’, High ISO – take your pick. I assumed that the 5Ds and 5D lines were aimed at different markets.

“I may not know how to use what I’ve got properly, but a better camera will fix it”

The perennial complaint I’ve seen on forums as long as I’ve followed them. The “I may not know” bit is of course usually implied rather than stated… ;-)


Expect more of this random noise in rumourland as we move into the ‘thin news’ time after a new 5D appears…
12th A suggested 2017 update for the 5Ds [CR]
Dual Digic 7 and DPAF with a modest jump in MP still seem something for 2018 unless the 5D4 was developed with an eye on a quick to roll out ‘s’ version.
– Note comments from Dec 2015 below and the timeline above

August

27th The launch of the 5D mk4 at 30MP raises the question of when Canon will bump up the pixels to over 100MP. If the 5 series moves to a longer lifecycle, the replacement for the 5Ds might be pushed out as far as 2019.

Personally I’d rather wait until 2019 and see a ~140MP sensor than 80-90MP in 2018 :-)

2015 December

17th A suggestion that the 5Ds and 5Ds R may get an update ‘sooner’ than might be expected, with a 5D4 style body and updated sensor [CR]

Not in 2016 I’d suggest – which puts such info well into the speculation category at the moment.

As a day to day user of the 5Ds, I see no reason for an early update – the 5D mk4 is surely aimed at 5D mk3 users.

The 5Ds and 5Ds R were never an upgrade path for many 5D3 users, or am I missing some egregious defect in the camera I earn my living with ;-)

September

11th More info about the working Canon 120MP camera that’s being shown at the Canon Expo [PB] The demo camera has a sensor in a 5Ds body
The sample camera is only taking shots at 100ISO
It’s an APS-H sensor, so a full frame version would come in at ~200MP

Shall we see a 200MP 5Ds mk2 in 2018? or if they get it working sooner, a rather expensive 1DXs announced in 2016 (shipping well into 2017)

2015 February

13th The 1D X mk2 is suggested for 2016
Will the 5Ds 2 only be available without LPF?
11th A CPN article has a brief interview with the head of the 5Ds/r design team.

As with any Canon ‘interviews’ don’t expect too much in the way of insight ;-)

6th Cameras finally announced
There is a very good overview of the cameras and technology at CPN

2015 February

5th We’re told that Canon is not done with its basic new 5D design and that a 5D C will appear later this year to go with a 5D mk4.

See the 5D4 page, although since I don’t use video at all, I’m unclear how much sense this makes?

4th Prices are leaked [PR]

Canon EOS 5Ds: €3,499 (around $4,000)
Canon EOS 5Ds R (no low-pass filter): €3,699 (around $4,200)
Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L USM: €2,999 (around $3,400)

January

30th Two new 5D variants are suggested, both with a 50.6MP full frame CMOS sensor
An EOS 5DS R version will be without low-pass filter

Magnesium alloy body, dust and water sealed
Dual DIGIC6
ISO 100-6400
5 fps
High precision 61 AF points, EOS iTR AF
150,000 pixel RGB + IR photometry sensor
New “fine detail” picture style
1.3x and 1.6x crop modes
Customisable “Quick Control Screen”
Time-lapse movie, Interval Timer, Bulb timer

This info (and pic) first appeared on a Japanese site [DC – Google xlt]

From my own POV, it will be a nuisance to move from a 1 series body, but its a big enough jump from my 1Ds3 (which the 1D X wasn’t) to make it pretty much a no-brainer for our architectural work. The question remains though as to how much difference the AA filter makes?

At [CR] there is a suggestion that the relatively low max ISO is from a much stronger set of colour filters than usual – more welcome news if so.

We’ve also had a comment [thanks] that the 5D mark 4 is due for an August launch, and will be an update aimed at a much wider audience than the 5Ds
If you were interested in the new 11-24 lens that will probably be announced at the same time, see the animation on the main lens page comparing it to the 8-15 and EF14 II – that is a lot of glass!

9th Three versions of a new 5D are suggested [CR] an updated 5D4 and two 5Ds models with and without AA filtering, at ~53MP

2014 December

30th With a rumoured high MP DSLR from Canon (main rumour page) I note that at [CR] they have been told that the camera could be the 5D mk4, which could also fit in with suggestions that the 6D2 will move upmarket.

Earlier rumours – see the 5D mk4 rumour page

Detailed Specifications of the 5Ds/sr

Canon EOS 5DS Canon EOS 5DS R
Price
MSRP $3699/£2999/€3999 (body only) $3899/£3199/€4249 (body only)
Body type
Body type Mid-size SLR
Body material Magnesium alloy
Sensor
Max resolution 8688 x 5792
Image ratio w:h 3:2, 16:9
Effective pixels 51 megapixels
Sensor photo detectors 53 megapixels
Sensor size Full frame (36 x 24 mm)
Sensor size notes Offers 1.6x and 1.3x crop modes, as well as medium and small Raw sizes.
Sensor type CMOS
Processor Dual DIGIC 6
Color space sRGB, Adobe RGB
Color filter array Primary color filter
Image
ISO Auto, 100-6400 (expandable to 12800)
White balance presets 8
Custom white balance Yes
Image stabilization No
Uncompressed format RAW
JPEG quality levels Fine, normal
File format JPEG (Exif v2.3, DPOF v2.0)
Raw (Canon CR2, 14-bit)
Optics & Focus
Autofocus Contrast Detect (sensor)
Phase Detect
Multi-area
Center
Selective single-point
Tracking
Single
Continuous
Face Detection
Live View
Autofocus assist lamp No
Manual focus Yes
Number of focus points 61
Lens mount Canon EF
Focal length multiplier
Screen / viewfinder
Articulated LCD Fixed
Screen size 3.2″
Screen dots 1,040,000
Touch screen No
Screen type ClearView II TFT-LCD
Live view Yes
Viewfinder type Optical (pentaprism)
Viewfinder coverage 100%
Viewfinder magnification 0.71×
Photography features
Minimum shutter speed 30 sec
Maximum shutter speed 1/8000 sec
Exposure modes Scene Intelligent Auto
Program AE
Shutter Priority AE
Aperture Priority AE
Manual
Bulb
Custom
Built-in flash No
External flash Yes (via hot shoe and PC sync port)
Flash X sync speed 1/200 sec
Drive modes Single
High-speed continuous
Low-speed continuous
Silent single shooting
Silent continuous shooting
Self-timer
Continuous drive 5.0 fps
Self-timer Yes (2 or 10 secs)
Metering modes Multi
Center-weighted
Spot
Partial
Exposure compensation ±5 (at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
AE Bracketing ±3 (3 frames at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
WB Bracketing Yes
Video features
Resolutions 1920 x 1080 (30p, 25p, 24p), 1280 x 720 (60p, 50p), 640 x 480 (30p, 25p)
Format H.264
Videography notes Supports ALL-I and IPB compression
Microphone Mono
Speaker Mono
Storage
Storage types SD/SDHC/SDXC (UHS-I compatible), CompactFlash
Connectivity
USB USB 3.0 (5 GBit/sec)
HDMI Yes (mini-HDMI)
Microphone port Yes
Headphone port No
Remote control Yes (Wired and wireless)
Physical
Environmentally sealed Yes (dust and water-resistent)
Battery Battery Pack
Battery description LP-E6 lithium-ion battery & charger
Battery Life (CIPA) 700
Weight (inc. batteries) 930 g (2.05 lb / 32.80 oz)
Dimensions 152 x 116 x 76 mm (5.98 x 4.57 x 2.99″)
Other features
Orientation sensor Yes
Timelapse recording Yes
GPS None
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