Canon EOS 90D rumours
EOS 90D – the EOS 80D replacement
Rumours about the Canon EOS 90D DSLR
Rumours and information about the EOS 90D camera.
The 80D launched in February 2016, late August 2019 is now looking good for an update.
However, sales are shrinking and it’s worth wondering just how quickly the Canon APS-C DSLR lines may be thinned out over the next few years. A good indicator of camera lifetimes and replacements has been the Canon timeline a bit further down the page.
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I’m going to suggest that given the state of the camera market this pretty much kills off any chances of seeing a 7D mk3
There was a product page at Canon Australia, but that’s been taken down now. There is also a spec sheet for the EOS M6 mk2 [Mirrorless page] which shows (likely) the same sensor in use.
The basic specs [click to enlarge]
The video specs will be keenly pored over – non-crop 4k will please some.
Well, after all the rumours, that all came out in a hurry – hat-tip to Nokishita
19th It seems that a promo video for the 90D has leaked.
The specs mentioned are:
- 32.5mp APS-C Sensor
- 45AF points (all cross-type)
- DIGIC 8
- 10fps shooting
- 4K at 30p/25p
- FullHD at 120p/100p
- Optical viewfinder & face detection
- 100% viewfinder coverage
- 220K dot RGB + IR metering
- Touchscreen Vari-Angle LCD
- Dust & water-resistant
- Battery grip BG-E14
The specs look good enough to appeal to a fair market. [via CR] but expect a long whinge list of the forums ;-)
8th When you see info at Nokishita about upcoming products, you can normally assume a release is imminent [Nok] specs should appear soon…
- EOS 90D : Body ・ 18-55mm kit ・ 18-135mm kit
- EOS M6 Mark II – Black silver
Body ・ 15-45mm kit ・ 18-150mm kit
EVF kit available
- RF24-70mm F2.8 L IS USM
- RF15-35mm F2.8 L IS USM
- Lens hood EW-88E
- Lens hood EW-88F
2nd New unreleased model info [Nok] suggests additional details for the next camera on its way from Canon
- Digital camera
- Equipped with Wi-Fi and Bluetooth 4.1
- Battery: LP-E6 / LP-E6N (7.2V 1800mAh)
- SKU: 3616C003AA, 3616C010AA, 3616C017AA
The LP-E6N suggests a larger camera – hopefully some more detailed specs should start surfacing before too long.
22nd The spec lists have started to appear, with an odd set at [CR] – expect plenty more if we are to see the camera announced late August
Most curious is the suggestion of it being a mirrorless APS-C EF mount body – as pointed out at CR, this could just be a mix between two cameras – a DSLR and a new EOS M
As ever, keep an eye on common factors in spec lists you see and look for that step up in detail you often see only 2-3 weeks before an announcement.
If I had to put some money on it, based on Canon’s behaviour over the years?
Well… Around 30MP, no IBIS, and still with 4k performance to irk some of those that need it and give cause for whinging for those that just want to whinge ;-) A good ‘solid’ update…
There is a chance Canon could try for some real advances in the camera, Yes, I’d like to see that, but I’m not holding my breath :-(
18th A suggestion in [CR] that we will indeed see sensor IS appearing in ‘select’ DSLRs
Several patent applications show it in DSLR bodies (see main Canon page) do it could be on its way.
It might give 80D and 7D2 users a bit more of a reason to update and be seen as a commitment to APS-C. Oh, and if it’s going to go in the 1D X mk3, appearing first in ta 90D would give Canon good engineering/manufacturing/reliability/software feedback for a camera (1 series) that has to be the most reliable Canon makes.
29th Some G7X III pictures and specs appear [main canon page] – nothing else yet
25th There are suggestions that Canon has a product announcement on the 9th of July – the RF24-70 lens and ‘G’ series cameras are widely expected, but obviously the 80D replacement is in the frame.
No specs at all yet, so if we don’t see at least some info/specs in the next week or so, then the 80D replacement might not make this round of announcements.
11th Possibly related to the new sensor rumour below, at [CR] there is a suggestion that the next camera will support 4k video with minimal crop factor.
Once again a bit of a ‘maybe’ rumour (CR1 by CR’s rating) but I suppose Canon is going to cheer up the video people eventually ;-)
10th Several people have asked about the Digic 9 mention below? Whilst I have had no more detail, have a look at the timeline above. It shows that processors tend to last at least a couple of years between their first appearance and the first appearance of a successor.
It varies though. Digic 4 has lasted from late 2008 and is still current in the 2000D. Digic 8 dates from early 2018, so personally I’d expect to see Digic 9 making a debut in a new camera next year. However past info such as in the timeline is only ever a guide…
Recent patent info has upped the likelihood of seeing sensor based IS (aka IBIS) from Canon (and they’ve said it is likely) – this is firmly for the EOS R and RF mount cameras – we’re not going to see it launched in a DSLR like the 90D .
BTW I’m a big fan of IBIS, having just written a long review of the Panasonic S1R, which also let me shoot 187MP images with my Canon lenses using sensor movement multishot. It’s something I hope Canon get working in a mirrorless replacement for my 5Ds
6th Once again we’re told that the 80D (&7d2?) replacement will debut a new Canon APS-C sensor that will quiet some of the 4K video complaints that have been common for a while. The camera is supposed to be quite a big jump in performance in its functions involving getting data off the chip and may debut Digic 9.
This info comes from an occasional source, but given how many times I’ve been told to expect an ‘all new sensor’ in the last year or two, I’m not holding my breath yet. There are simply no solid specs yet that I’ve seen for this forthcoming camera.
29th Just how many APS-C cameras will Canon move forward with? There are a lot of models still on the shelves, and this is likely to be greatly cut down over the next few years. My suspicion is that in a few years a lot of the DSLR rows in the table above will come to a halt. I doubt we’ll see any new APS-C lenses – maybe one last version of the 18-55, but nothing ‘new’.
I’m still minded to believe we will see an 80D replacement, but Canon is in full scale ‘transition mode’ at the moment…
16th After going away for a few days I come back to see someone’s sent some 90D specs – they are exactly the same as appeared a few days ago at [CR] so I’ll assume a similar source – one I’ve never heard of. Whilst these look potentially a good bump up for the 80D, they are perhaps less so for the 7D2.
Expect some info a bit closer to an actual product in the usual 2-4 weeks before an announcement, so, perhaps late July?
- 32.5MP APS-C DPAF Sensor
- Dual DIGIC 8
- Dual SD card slots
- ISO 100-51,200
- 45 AF points
- 4K video at 24/25, 30 and 60fps
- 3.2″ rear articulating LCD
- Dust and moisture sealing
- Built-in wifi and Bluetooth
- Initial $1399 price
- August announcement
Watch too for figures related to those above being stated with increasing certainty by the ‘we told you first’ rumor sites ;-)
8th There may yet be an update for the 80D this year, with a new camera model DS126801 appearing in wireless regulatory info. [Nok]
The LP-E6N battery suggests a larger camera and sensor size is put at ~32MP (6960×4640). This is definitely a new sensor, and if APS-C, a significant jump in resolution (making for ~80MP for full frame).
The appearance of this info now makes it much more likely a 2019 camera. There is just the one camera mentioned – so no 90D and 7D3 I’m inclined to suggest.
16th The latest certification/model number info [Main rumour page] for Canon, only points to small camera updates (M5/M100/G7x/G5x) so no signs of DSLRs or the current ‘random rumour flavour of the week’, a high MP EOS R ‘pro’ model [EOS RS]
Chance of a 90D to use on your summer holiday… minimal
9th That 90D you were waiting for… Sorry, the remaining DSLR in the listings is definitely the Kiss X10 (aka 250D) [Nok – Twt]
Latest info (and pictures) on the 250D page
That leaves no new cameras listed in the model number and certification info. Which likely means nothing else until later in the year.
20th The DS126761 mentioned in February is almost certainly an SL3 (or 200D mk2, 250D or whatever) [Main rumour page]
No signs anywhere of an 80D or 7D2 replacement…
3rd CP+ happens in Japan and we see not a hint of anything DSLR. The only thing we’ve been told of late is to expect a late April announcement, but it’s March now, and things are very quiet, so I’m not holding my breath.
Meanwhile in mirrorless land: Whilst I’ll be writing more detailed articles using the EOS RP, I’ve a Using the EOS RP notes page where I’m jotting down thoughts about using it, from the point of a long time Canon DSLR user. Mostly good and I’ve only a few relatively minor gripes at the moment.
15th I’ve updated the timeline above. The newly announced RF lenses [Lens page] really show the RF lens range being pitched at the ‘L’ level, ready for when higher end EOS-R bodies turn up [much more on the EOS R info page]
13th With (very) full specs for the EOS RP appearing [EOS RP page], and an announcement due tomorrow, there appears only one camera at the moment. It seems the EOS RP is the one for the CP+ show later this month.
The specs look interesting, and must invite questions as to whether we’re ever going to see updates for the 80D and 7Dmk2. The second camera listed below, is as yet a mystery.
BTW I’ll be getting an RP to experiment with in a few weeks, so if you’re curious let me know…
6th With photos and specs appearing for the EOS RP (a small full frame camera of almost 200D size – see the Mirrorless rumour page) it’s worth looking again at the model numbers from wireless certification
DS 126751 (This is the EOS RP)
- Digital camera (single lens reflex or RF mounting machine)
- Made in Japan (Oita Plant)
- Wi-Fi · Bluetooth equipped (WM 600)
- SKU: 3380C003AA, 3380C013AA, 3380C023AA
- Battery: 7.2 V 1040 mAh (LP – E 17)
DS 126761 (As yet unknown)
- Digital camera (single lens reflex or RF mounting machine)
- Made in Taiwan or Made in Japan (Oita Plant)
- Wi-Fi · Bluetooth equipped (WM 600)
- SKU: 3454C001AA, 3454C002AA, 3454C003AA, 3458C001AA, 3461C001AA
- Battery: 7.2 V 1040 mAh (LP – E 17?)
The small battery and multiple SKU codes of the remaining model listed at the usually reliable Nokishita site [Nok] suggests that the next camera could be an xxxD level model – not an 80D or 7D2 replacement.
Where does this leave a 90D or 7D3? Still pending….
30th With a new EOS R model (full frame entry level) expected in weeks, and just two cameras listed in the latest certification info, it’s worth wondering again just what Canon’s APS-C DSLR update policy will be?
The latest Canon financials show a decline in camera sales (lots more info on the Main Canon info page) Looking at a slide from the presentations, I see no APS-C DSLRs
I suspect we’ll see a replacement DSLR at the entry level, but with falling sales, the DSLR range is likely to be thinned out sooner rather than later.
At the moment the 7D2/80D/77D/800D/2000D/4000D/200D range just looks a little crowded.
15th A brief suggestion that the 80D and 7D2 replacements may become just one camera [CR] – note the CR1 rating.
Obviously the danger with this is that it’s potentially too expensive for 80D fans to update, and not good enough for 7D2 fans. If something’s coming before CP+ expect rumours with a little more substance in the next 2-3 weeks. The timeline above does show quite a hefty variety of DSLR models, so some pruning is likely, but where?
11th Nothing concrete I’m afraid beyond the regulatory info we’ve had for a while now.
The future of different DSLR ranges is unclear, but they are going to be selling enough for a few years to come that updates will be needed – See my notes on the main Canon rumours page including references to Canon’s recent IR interview [Mirrorless page]
16th New regulatory info (no specs – see the main Canon rumours page) points to two cameras coming up in the new year. Maybe a 90D and a new xxxD?
In terms of launch date then some time before the CP+ show (Yokohama, Japan – Feb 28 – Mar 3, 2019) would seem likely.
27th Today marks 15 years of rumours/info here on the site [see on main page] – if I had to sum it up, rumours are no more reliable than they were then, beyond a month or so before a product release. That and Canon still doesn’t leak much ;-)
14th 90D next year? A hint in regulatory findings (all on the main Canon rumours page)
10th Whilst there’s a chance we’ll see a new EF mount DSLR this year, I suspect that the EOS-R is the big message Canon want to give for Photokina later this month. As such I’ve updated the timeline above with an entry for the first EOS R camera.
Some Canon info suggests that cameras will appear above and below the EOS R level. There is a clear sign of this in a Canon graphic from a Japanese article (see the EOS R/mirrorless page for more)
For the APS-C cameras at the right, the top two are 7DII and 80D. Bottom two are M5 and M6.
At some point a particular xxxD, xxD or xD model is going to be the last in the line – I don’t quite think we’re at that point with the 80D or 7D2 yet, but it will happen. If you’ve any good EF-S lenses, you’re still going to be able to use them with adapters on a crop EOS R body (as with EF), but I can see a distinct drop in used EF-S lens values in due course.
I’ve written up some of my own thoughts about when I’ll move to an RF mount based camera – not for a bit, but it will happen.
5th The EOS R has been announced – pitched at around the 6D mk2 level. A new mount and the ‘L’ lenses launched with it show Canon is serious about the high end. Add to that an EF-M 32/1.4 prime and EOS-M looks to have life in it.
The question I’ve been asked a lot is where does this leave the more advanced APS-C DSLRs? I feel we’ll see at least another cycle of updates, but the ”7D question” is a reasonable one. I’ve tried to pull together a bit of historical context for Canon’s changes of lens mount since 1959 and see whether it really should concern different camera users.
2nd With the flurry of EOS-R information, it seems unlikely we’re going to see the 80D replacement announced this side of photokina. That said, Canon’s EOS-R was kept quiet until less than a week from announcement.
5th We’re told (thanks) that basic 90D information is being provided for place holders for fall/holiday brochure design and that cameras will be available in November.
However I’d note that no announcement date is yet known, or anything about the actual specs, suggesting that any announcement is a couple of months away at least. From my own POV, the next DSLR might even be the 7Dmk3
26th Some unreleased camera model info for Canon [Nok]
Canon’s unreleased camera “DS126721” is made in Japan (Oita factory). Three kinds of SKU are 3075C003AA, 3075C013AA, 3075C023AA (body only and two kit lenses)
I’d note that the 7D2 and 80D are made in Japan, so all you can say is that it’s one of Canon’s ‘better’ cameras. As to us seeing a 90D or 7D3 for photokina, the dearth of plausible rumours as yet is not promising.
30th A full list of current filings/code numbers on the main Canon rumour page. Read into them what you will, but it suggests we may be waiting a while for updates to the 80D and 7D2
24th Wireless regulatory filings suggest that two DSLRs are on the way, one of which would have the larger LP-E6N battery, which would be expected for a 90D (or 7D2 replacement – it’s even older than the 80D)
22nd A suggestion that the 80D replacement will be a hefty leap forward in capabilities [CR] – no details or timescale though.
The 80D has been around a while (see the timeline), so a jump from Digic 6 to Digic 8 would be reasonable. Other than that, DPAF and 4k video would be likely, but there really have been no credible leaks about the 90D. If you’re pushing the specs of the 90D in a significant way, then what of the 7D mk3? Finally time for a true mini 1Dx?
21st Whilst there are suggestions around that the 90D is on its way this year, I’m afraid the lack of plausible specs or any other info around suggests it’s likely still many months away.
14th We’re still getting sent conflicting dates for a 90D (and 7D3) release – These range from June to spring 2019. Absolutely nothing so far I’d be prepared to put any money on.
With both the 80D and especially the 7D2 looking a bit old in the line-up there’s a suggestion [CR] that the two models will be split into three, with an intermediate camera of some sort (a high MP 7Ds or a video 7DC have once again been suggested – or 8D or 9D)
14th Looking at UK 80D prices [CPB], there’s been a bit of a jump (average £950 to £1050) after a steady decline and special offers last month. Given the fluctuations in currencies it’s difficult to see any signs of an imminent 80D replacement.
With the M50 including the Digic 8 processor, the 90D could well be the first DSLR to feature it. The inclusion of 4k video would show Canon taking a less conservative approach to model differentiation and bode well for a much higher spec 7D mk3
26th A few more mentions of a 90D later this year [CR] – the 7D2 is getting older though, but it’s been suggested that it’s being held back for a bigger leap (there was always some suggestion that this contributed to the longevity of the original 7D as well).
A look at the updated timeline above suggests that both the 80D and 7D2 are distinctly possible this year…
I’m minded to agree with CR that a 90D is more likely first, with a Digic 7 processor and putting a bit of space between it and the 77D. The timeline is always worth a look…
15th The new 77D pushes the 80D somewhat, but any 80D successor is probably a 2018 camera
18th No 90D info yet!
The 80D and EF-S 18-135 are announced – full specs and info on the 8oD page
2nd The 70D is announced:
The 70D page also has all the old xxD rumours going back quite a few years
– New 24.2MP APS-C CMOS sensor
– Dual Pixel CMOS AF
– Image processing engine DIGIC6
– Regular sensitivity ISO100-16000 (extension 25600)
– 7560 pixel RGB + IR metering sensor
– AF 45 points (all points cross type). 27 points @F8 -3EV
– Four of the AF area selection modes, including a new “L zone AF”
– Continuous shooting 7 frames / sec. 3 frames / second at the silent continuous shooting mode
– The number of pictures 77 copies in JPEG. 20 sheets in RAW
– Continuous shooting in live view mode 5 frames / sec. (AF tracking)
– New mirror vibration control system to keep the mirror shock (MVCS)
– Finder is 100% field of view, magnification 0.95 times
– Shutter 30 seconds -1/8000 seconds. Synchro 1/250 sec
– 3 inches 1.04 million dot Vari-angle LCD monitor
– Built-in flash (guide number 12)
– Electronic Level
– A new Picture Style “fine detail”
– 10 kinds of scene mode
– Video is full HD 60fps. AF tracking
– HDR movie
– Time-lapse movie
– Five types of movies Creative Filters
– Wi-Fi, NFC. Remote shooting
– Media SD / SDHC / SDXC (UHS-I compatible)
– Durability of the shutter is 100,000 times
– USB terminal, HDMI terminal, microphone jack, headphone jack, remote control terminal
– Improved dust and water
– The battery LP-E6N / LP-E6
– Start-up time is 0.16 seconds
– EF-S18-135mm F3.5-5.6 enables remote shooting using the power zoom function in combination with IS USM and the power zoom adapter PZ-E1
– The size of 139.0 x 105.2 x 78.5mm
– Weight 730g (650g body only)
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