Canon EOS 90D rumours
EOS 90D – the EOS 80D replacement
Rumours about the Canon EOS 90D DSLR
Rumours and information about the EOS 90D camera.
With the 80D launched in February 2016, it’s unlikely that there will be much to see here until 2018/19.
A good indicator of camera lifetimes and replacements is the Canon timeline a bit further down the page. How much will have changed by the time the 90D appears?
- Non Bayer sensor?
- 4k video?
Latest 90D Rumours
15th The new 77D pushes the 80D somewhat, but any 80D successor is probably a 2018 camera
18th None yet!
80D and EF-S 18-135 announced – full specs and info below
UK shipping is listed as:
· The EOS 80D is available from April 2016 with an RRP of £999.99/€769.99 body only
· The EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM is available from April 2016 with an RRP of £439.99/€610
· The Power Zoom Adapter PZ-E1 is available from May 2016 with an RRP of £129.99/€179.99
In the UK, Park Cameras tell me that they are likely to start receiving the cameras in March, and that the body will sell for £999.
They have a pre-order offer whereby you can receive a FREE SanDisk 64GB Extreme Pro SDXC class 10 card (worth £56), and be in with the chance to win a VIP ticket to the British Grand Prix
In the US:
The Canon EOS 80D Digital SLR camera and EF-S18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM Lens are currently scheduled to be available in March 2016 for an estimated retail price of $1,199.00 for the body only, $1,799.00 with the new EF-S18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM Lens and $599.99 respectively.
The Canon Power Zoom Adapter PZ-E1 and Directional Stereo Microphone DM-E1 are currently scheduled to be available in June 2016, for estimated retail prices of $149.99 and $249.99 respectively.
Earlier Rumours concerned with the XXD range of DSLRs going back to 2008 are further down the page, below the 80D specs
|Best||Full||1Ds||1Ds Mk II||1Ds Mk III||1D X||1DX II|
|1.3||1D||1D Mk II||1D MkIIn||1D Mk III||1D Mk IV|
|5D||5D Mk II||5D Mk III||5D Mk IV|
|1.6||7D||7D Mk II|
|Micro||1.6||100D SL1 X7|
|Entry||1.6||1000D / XS / F||1100D / T3 / X50||1200D T5 X70||1300D T6|
Note: dates start in announcement quarter, not shipping dates.
Video capable 4k | Digic | Digic 2 | Digic 3 dual | Digic 4 dual | Digic 5 dual | Digic 6 dual | Digic 7 dual
|MSRP||$1199 (body only), $1799 (w/18-135 lens)|
|Body type||Mid-size SLR|
|Body material||Magnesium alloy|
|Max resolution||6000 x 4000|
|Image ratio w:h||1:1, 4:3, 3:2, 16:9|
|Effective pixels||24 megapixels|
|Sensor photo detectors||26 megapixels|
|Sensor size||APS-C (22.5 x 15 mm)|
|Color space||sRGB, Adobe RGB|
|Color filter array||Primary color filter|
|ISO||Auto, 100-16000 (expands to 25600)|
|Boosted ISO (maximum)||25600|
|White balance presets||6|
|Custom white balance||Yes|
|JPEG quality levels||Fine, normal|
|File format||JPEG (Exif v2.3)
Raw (Canon 14-bit CRW)
|Optics & Focus|
|Autofocus||Contrast Detect (sensor)
|Autofocus assist lamp||Yes|
|Number of focus points||45|
|Lens mount||Canon EF/EF-S|
|Focal length multiplier||1.6×|
|Screen / viewfinder|
|Articulated LCD||Fully articulated|
|Screen type||TFT LCD|
|Viewfinder type||Optical (pentaprism)|
|Minimum shutter speed||30 sec|
|Maximum shutter speed||1/8000 sec|
Handheld Night Scene
HDR Backlight Control
|Flash range||12.00 m (at ISO 100)|
|External flash||Yes (via hot shoe)|
|Flash X sync speed||1/250 sec|
High speed continuous
Low speed continuous
Silent single shooting
Silent continuous shooting
10/2 sec self-timer/remote ctrl
|Continuous drive||7.0 fps|
|Self-timer||Yes (2 or 10 sec)|
|Exposure compensation||±5 (at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)|
|Resolutions||1920 x 1080 (60p, 30p, 24p), 1280 x 720 (60p, 30p)|
|Videography notes||Choice of ALL-I or IPB codecs|
|Storage types||SD/SDHC/SDXC (UHS-I support)|
|USB||USB 2.0 (480 Mbit/sec)|
|Wireless notes||802.11/b/g/n with NFC|
|Remote control||Yes (Wired, wireless, or via smartphone)|
|Battery description||LP-E6N lithium-ion battery & charger|
|Battery Life (CIPA)||960|
|Weight (inc. batteries)||730 g (1.61 lb / 25.75 oz)|
|Dimensions||139 x 105 x 79 mm (5.47 x 4.13 x 3.11″)|
17th Another leaked image
16th Leaked specs and photos of the 80D (updated list) [DCI -Google xlt]
– New 24.2MP APS-C CMOS sensor. Adopt a new miniaturization process
– Dual Pixel CMOS AF
– Image processing engine DIGIC6
– Regular sensitivity ISO100-16000 (extension 25600)
– 7560 pixel RGB + IR metering sensor
– AF 45 points (all points cross type). 27 points @F8 -3EV
– Four of the AF area selection modes, including a new “L zone AF”
– Continuous shooting 7 frames / sec. 3 frames / second at the silent continuous shooting mode
– The number of pictures 77 copies in JPEG. 20 sheets in RAW
– Continuous shooting in live view mode 5 frames / sec. (AF tracking)
– New mirror vibration control system to keep the mirror shock (MVCS)
– Finder is 100% field of view, magnification 0.95 times
– Shutter 30 seconds -1/8000 seconds. Synchro 1/250 sec
– 3 inches 1.04 million dot Vari-angle LCD monitor
– Built-in flash (guide number 12)
– Electronic Level
– A new Picture Style “fine detail”
– 10 kinds of scene mode
– Video is full HD 60fps. AF tracking
– HDR movie
– Time-lapse movie
– Five types of movies Creative Filters
– Wi-Fi, NFC. Remote shooting
– Media SD / SDHC / SDXC (UHS-I compatible)
– Durability of the shutter is 100,000 times
– USB terminal, HDMI terminal, microphone jack, headphone jack, remote control terminal
– Improved dust and water
– The battery LP-E6N / LP-E6
– Start-up time is 0.16 seconds
– EF-S18-135mm F3.5-5.6 enables remote shooting using the power zoom function in combination with IS USM and the power zoom adapter PZ-E1
– The size of 139.0 x 105.2 x 78.5mm
– Weight 730g (650g body only)
A new 18-135mm lens is also announced including an external power zoom unit. (see lenses page)
14th The 80D is listed (just as a model mumber) in some Canon support info that was updated a few says ago to include the 1DX2 [CR] – NFC appears in another listing at the same Canon site
Nothing else new, so it looks as if the 100D isn’t going to get an update for a few months at least.
13th No specs yet but at [DCI -Google xlt] they are pretty sure that the 80D is coming soon, along with a G7X mk2
4th With the 1D X mk2 launched, is it time for updates to the 70D and 100D?
At the moment I’ve seen no solid info for either appearing at CP+
29th A suggestion that there may well be an 80D announcement in February [CR]
I’d just note that the 5D3/6D/100D are all older
16th A bit of a flurry of 80D mentions [CR]
As ever, do have a look at the current camera timeline just down this page for an idea about what is looking good for an update
An 80D might make the mix later next year, but if the latest info is anything like some of the stuff we’ve seen, it looks rather too like deliberately made up guesswork from a few sources trying to salt the ground ;-)
Note to (some?) senders – sort out your network settings if you want to try and pretend to be multiple sources ;-)
17th Some comments about the 80D [CR] Too far away for specs, but a suggestion that the MP count might be going up somewhat.
6th Don’t get too excited – an 80D ‘rumour’ appears on a DPreview forum.
Given its claim of a Q2 2016 release I’ll put the specs up here, to see how often it gets repeated over the next six months.
If there was any truth in this one, it would be by far and away the longest advance leak of specs I’ve seen in nearly 12 years of following rumours.
Basically, any rumour more than a month away from launch that has accurate specifications should be suspect ;-)
24.2MP APS-C CMOS Sensor & Digic 6+ or 7 Image Processor
3.0″ Vari-Angle Touchscreen LCD Monitor
Full HD 1080p Video Capture
49-Point AF System
Hybrid CMOS AF III
Built-In Wi-Fi Connectivity with NFC
Continuous shooting rate of up to 8 fps
This sort of stuff appears quite regularly – but gets picked up and reposted with minor changes (thanks for sending BTW)
16th A mention of the 80D is spotted (thanks) in a Dutch camera book title [VDM] Expected 11th Nov 2015
It’s always worth noting that book publishers have a long history of announcing books with speculative titles.
The 24MP APS-C sensor has to go somewhere… Maybe a minor update for the 100D(SL2) and 70D this year?
5th That picture was the 760D, confusion coming from the 750D/760D fork in xxxD camera design.
Of course, the new 24MP sensor in the (no DPAF) and 760 design pushes things much closer to the 70D, so where does this leave the 40-50-60-70D line going?
1st With the 7D2 not appearing until Sept. 2014, and the 100D/700D/M still at 18MP, the 70D looks to be a fairly long lived model.
2nd The 70D is announced:
20.2 megapixel APS-C CMOS sensor and DIGIC 5+
19 point cross-type AF System and 7 fps shooting
Dual Pixel CMOS AF
Instant sharing and remote control with Wi-Fi
ISO 12800 (H:25600)
Vari-angle 7.7cm ClearView II LCD touch screen
Expect a variant of this in the 7Dmk2 and the 750D, and maybe the next ‘new’ standard APS-C sensor to appear in the 80D or 7Dmk3
23rd No signs of a 70D this year – the 60D Is reportedly in short supply. There have been some comments that there won’t be a 70D…
8th The 650D is announced
15th With suggestions that the 70D will be a 2012 camera – probably not much to see here until 2014 at the earliest…
26th The 60D is announced – signifying a ‘redirection’ for the XXD range – sitting between the XXXD and 1.6 crop XD.
22nd With the 60D expected next week, it’s interesting to note the way that almost all our XXD info from a few years ago was predicated on 12 or at most 18 month cycles – it’s been 24 months for the 60D
So, is the 80D set for a pre photokina announcement in 2014 with the big news at the show being the 5D Mk4?
12th At last, the 70D appears in someone’s camera spec list [HDR]
The 70D gets 12 fps and up to 11 auto-bracket frames.
Looks good until you see the form at the bottom of the page where you can add details for updates.
Should soon be time for someone to rediscover the bar code site and send me details of the 80D or something…
Follow the ‘Discussions’ [DPR]
Last time I checked, not one person had scrolled down to the bottom of the page to see the data entry form :-)
3rd We’ve had a load of 60D/ ‘future developments’ info sent to us, which suggest that the 70D will be here in August 2010 and will probably be ~20MP
Info on the 60D page (now updated with lots more info just received)
30th Already we have the first thread on the 70D at DPR some time in late 2009
(predicted content ;-)
#1 Have you seen this?
#2 What do they know
#4 Could you elaborate on xxx
#5 Jeez, cant you people just get out more
#6 You don’t have to read it
#7 Those that really know can’t say
#8 70D AF issues
#9 Is that all?
#10 I’m switching to Nikon/Sony
#11 It probably back / front focuses
#12 What still no built in pro AF
#13 Why not 1.3 crop all cameras should be 1.3 crop
#14 Why not full frame – Canon are ripping is off again
#15 Its going to be so noisy I’ll have to keep my 10D
#16 The more MP are a waste, the lenses can’t resolve that
#17 It’s all lies from from crazy fan boy
#18 What, no built in IS:
#19 I’ll have to be the first to own one
#20 Why would anyone want one
Here’s our recent [2008!] techy hints we had from one of our more detailed sources
“The 50D sensor and image processing are a major step forward in what has been a multi-year strategy for Canon to take sensor technology to the limits of physics, simultaneously achieving higher ISOs, lower noise and higher dynamic range. Note Chuck Westall’s announcement that the 50D sensor has 1 to 1 and a half stops better noise than the 40D sensor despite the smaller pixels. Several core strategies have been pursued simultaneously for this:
Reducing the micro lens gap to capture all the light hitting the sensor. This has been highlighted in the 40D, 1D III and 1Ds III sensors and the new 50D sensor now achieves effective 100% coverage. Only very minor improvements are expected from this point on (e.g. shaping the lenses towards the corners of the frame to capture angled light.
Reducing the noise level of each pixel. Canon have made changes over several generations of sensors to achieve this, bringing the amplifiers closer to each pixel, changing micro-circuit configuration and lowering voltages so the sensor runs colder. Again the design of the 50D is a big step forward here from the 40D and 1D III etc. Canon have one more big jump lined up, with low voltage cold running CMOS designs to gain at least an additional stop in lower noise at higher ISOs or long exposures.
Better digital noise reduction. These are the changes in DIGIC noise processing. First with the Chroma Noise reduction in DIGIC III and now with more advanced multi-level noise reduction options in DIGIC IV. Canon believe they have made most of the gains possible via processing algorithms but do still have some areas to develop. The next focus will be faster noise reduction processing so that it does not come at an impact on frame burst rates (look to the 1D3 replacement for example)
Pixel binning for high ISOs. A new technology enabled by the complexity and processing power of DIGIC IV where they can bin 2, 4 or 8 pixels together at the raw level and average out the noise between them. This is seen by Canon as a key technology in balancing very high resolution sensors (in the 50mp range) with low noise at very high ISOs. Right now they are not pushing this too much with the 50D so as to not create confusion in the market (they see more potential for the technology as sensors get larger and in the pro-market).
Increased image resolution – This is a newer strategy (most evident on the 450D where they have changed the anti-aliasing filter (thinner and closer etc) so as to achieve a crisper image per pixel without loosing the benefits of anti-aliasing filter on diagonal edges etc.. The 50D has the same technology. One further option for the future is for Canon to drop the anti aliasing physical filter and do it in a future DIGIC generation where there can be smarter allocation of colour values than the blurring achieved by a light based filter.
Increased raw bit depth for improved dynamic range. Here Canon have made the jump to 14 bit and will move to 16 bit in their future sensor technology generations. Canon see the main usage of extra bit depth as providing the dynamic range to translate the sensor image into a printable or viewable image with a higher dynamic range. In other words mapping the 14 or 16 bits into an 8 bit viewable or printable image that mimics the dynamic range in the scene.
Dynamic range preservation options – Canon are putting a lot of focus into how to provide the photographer with the best options for preserving the dynamic range of the original image in both a RAW file and the 8 bit JPEG. The highlight tone preservation option on the 40D, 1D III etc was the first step. The new ‘automatic brightness’ options in the 50D are another, where they try and optimise the brightness of various parts of the image to reduce the dullness from shadows. Canon are planning much more in this area, down to the equivalent of varying the ISO level across the different parts of the sensor when the image is taken (easier in live view mode of course).
So what does this mean?
The 50D DIGIC IV sensor and image processing technology is felt to be Canon’s biggest jump in many years.
The same technology will allow a 21-25mp FF sensor to have 1 to 1.5 stops better noise performance than the 3 year old 12mp sensor in the 5D.
Canon are not going to watch market share be lost in the 1D range to Nikon and are actively planning to incorporate this technology in the 1 series as well, sooner than many might expect.
Canon have hit the limits on light gathering but believe there is a good 1 to 1.5 stops lower noise still to be achieved at the physical electrical level before they reach the limits of physics (background noise due to heat etc) and are working on the circuit design for this (native 12800 being one goal)
The other technologies in the image processing, pixel binning, dynamic range preservation space are seen as all offering room for significant further improvement in the image delivered to the photographer. Canon have a vision where the imagine processing is so good that it is capable of transparently capturing the dynamic range of a scene and converting it into a JPEG in a way that for most consumers cuts out blown highlights and detail lost in shadow without further processing.”
26th The 50D is released – table below updated. Next August for the 60D or was the 50D just moved ahead for competition reasons?
Well… there is a 60D thread at DPR already discussing this ;-)
21st The 40D to 50D update is compared to the 20D/30D update in a post from someone who claims to have used one [DPR] – first mention of a 60D we see :-)
July 8th Is a 40D refresh being moved from the expected 18 month cycle (we’ll see it at PMA in 2009) or will new sensor technology make it into the 50D for Photokina [potn]
Whilst I’ve been sent various info on the new sensor developments, the only line that was slated for potentially moving to annual updates was the bottom end of the DSLR range.
Meanwhile here’s the recent history of similar models
|Continuous (JPEG)||LCD monitor|
|EOS D30||Apr 2000||3.1 mp||3 point||3.0 fps, 3 frames||1.8″|
|EOS D60||Feb 2002||6.3 mp||3 point||3.3 fps, 8 frames||1.8″|
|EOS 10D||Feb 2003||6.3 mp||7 point||3.3 fps, 9 frames||1.8″|
|EOS 20D||Aug 2004||8.2 mp||9 point||5.0 fps, 23 frames||1.8″|
|EOS 30D||Feb 2006||8.2 mp||9 point||5.0 / 3.0 fps, 30 frames||2.5″|
|EOS 40D||Aug 2007||10.1 mp||9 point||6.5 / 3.0 fps, 85 frames||3.0″ (Live view)|
|EOS 50D||Aug 2008||15.1 mp||9 point||6.3 / 3.0 fps, 60/90 frames||3.0″ VGA|
Our most recent info (originally on our 1Ds3 page) about Canon’s plans over the next few years was sent in August (shortly before the 40D was announced)
Sensor technology – Canon have mentioned that full frame sensor chips need two stepper passes. Sony now has the technology to do this in one pass and are preparing their own sensors and selling to them Nikon. However, Canon have a new ‘one pass’ technology too. What’s more, it can do even larger than 35mm (36x24mm) in a single pass.
Canon is very excited about a next generation CMOS sensors they are working on. Two full frame versions have 40M and 50M pixels at the -same- noise level as the current 1D series. Low power supply voltages give cooler chips and lower noise even with smaller pixels. Different circuit fabrication techniques also promise to make close to 100% of the sensor area active pixels. This technology won’t make any of the upcoming models, but is expected in 2009/10.
The competition – Canon were somewhat shocked by the success of the Nikon D80, D40 and D40X. Hence the ‘improved’ 40D and the improved 400D replacement in the works. Canon know what Nikon have coming (D300 and D3) and have planned the 40D, 1Ds III and 1D III as their answers.
However Nikon is moving to CMOS sensors to over the next couple of years. Sony are moving CMOS to a near full frame (1.25 or so) and full (35mm) FF, so Canon is getting serious and starting to plan some aggressive upgrades.
Sony worries Canon somewhat, since with their manufacturing capabilities, they could move the whole price base down for SLRs. So far they haven’t and their lens prices and range are not a worry for Canon. The current Sony Alpha has been less than astounding in the market.
Moreover, Nikon have the camera credibility and certainly won’t stop with the D3 and D300. Their plans for the lower end (D40-D80 as well) are to replace them in much shorter timeframes than their previous 3-4 years. Nikon have moved emphasis from the low end ‘point and shoot’ digital into R&D on the DLSRs. They’ve found this to be 3-4 times as profitable (note Nikon’s record profits over last 12 months). Nikon is more than happy with trouncing Canon for the last 12 months in Japan (not so world wide). So the next 2-3 years will see a major DSLR feature ‘war’.
IS Technology – This is being introduced in some of their consumer grade lenses. The technology has matured to the point that it can be added at only a small price premium. It gives product differentiation – a reaction to Sony and keeps them ahead of Nikon.
Digic IV – Digic III just won’t cut it for the new high density sensors. Digic IV can deal with with the transfer rates for higher bit per pixel images. One Digic IV chip beats the two Digic III in the 1D3.
16 bit RAW – Canon’s target for their next generation of sensors is 16 bits per channel giving true HD quality. They are also looking at processing formats to retain that extra definition.
ISO sensitivity – Canon see their next generation lower voltage CMOS as easily doing ISO6400, with a boost to 12800.
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