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Canon 1DsV or is that the 1DVs?

1Ds Mk5



 

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2011

October

11th Could the 1Ds line skip a number? We’ve had a suggestion that there would be a joint 1D5 and 1Ds5 announcement on its way.

Seems unlikely IMHO – the previous staggered announcements allow smoothing of production and or R&D effort.

August

19th Still no sign of the 1Ds4, although with the 1Ds3 vanishing from many dealer listings I suspect it could appear soon.

I’m going to suggest that the 1DsV will appear at Photokina 2014 and have over 50MP

2010 

December

11th Still no sign of the 1Ds4

February

22nd  Popular rumours suggesting a 1Ds4 tomorrow – the 1Ds5 page starts properly when the 1Ds4 finally comes out ;-)
This page has had a few updates from the past, whenever MkV was mentioned – or just keeping up with Mk4 and related info.

2009 October

18th We hear (once again) that both the 1D3 and 1Ds3 are to be replaced together.
We’re also told that the 1D4 will actually be a 1DV, so why not a jump to the 1DSV or 1DVs? ;-)
Not one we’re expecting, but I note that at CR there was a suggestion that the 1D4 and 1Ds4 had appeared on the stock lists of a US dealer

2009 September 

30th We hear, via a European dealer source, that the 1D4 is due to be announced mid October.
Followed by a 36MP 1Ds4 in February.
I note that 36MP is roughly equivalent to a 14MP APS-C sensor, or a pixel density just below that of the 50D (38MP FF equiv)
10th We hear about a summer Canon pro dealer event where the question of a 1Ds4 was raised.
The assorted company execs were categorically told that the 1Ds4 was at least a year off.
We’re still putting our money on the 1Ds4 being announced before photokina 2010 – unless the 1D4 appears this year ;-)

August

24th More price drops appearing (1D3 and 1Ds3 at Adorama/ B&H) and 1Ds3 at Newegg.
21st 1Ds3 prices in Australia fall in an offer we’ve seen running until the 15th of September.
1Ds3 A$9700 (inc GST)
1Ds2+50/1.2 A$11440 (inc GST)
13th Canon in Denmark announce a Summer price reduction for both the 1D3 and 1Ds3 – seen at around 20% at one pro dealer.
5th In Hong Kong, Canon even go so far as to put out a press release to announce 1D3 and 1Ds3 price cuts.
[prices in HK Dollars]

EOS-1Ds Mark III Body
New Price: $49,800
Original Price: $56,200
EOS-1D Mark III Body
New Price: $27,900
Original Price: $31,800

Once again this raises questions of 1D/1Ds ‘unification’. This was mentioned here in 2006,
According to Chuck Westfall at the time: “I never said that the EOS-1D and 1Ds model lines would be merged. As best as I can tell, this line of thinking is based on the alleged comments of another Canon executive (Mr. Takaya Iwasaki) who was interviewed a couple of years ago by a European digital camera Web site. http://www.e-fotografija.com/artman/publish/article_440.shtml
4th From Denmark we hear of 1Ds3 price cuts.

July

30th A suggestion in CR that the 1DS4 will be announced at the same time as the 1D4.
Whilst it could be seen as Canon looking to take a lead in two areas of camera use, I’m still thinking that the 1Ds4 will be next year.

April

28th Suggestions from Spain about ‘new high end camera(s)’ being tested – See 1D4 page
1st We’re told [thanks] of sightings of a new 1Ds being tested in the US.

2009 February

28th From our main rumours page
The high price of the D3x has lessened pressure to renew the 1Ds3
Plans for a August 2009 release are now in doubt as 1Ds3 sales remain strong too
Canon have a range of sensor choices here, up to 39MP.
The delay also allows the new AF system to be considered.
This is a key factor in 1D4 timing and hence important to the 1Ds4 too.
Canon have two release windows in mind, January / February 2010 and August / September 2010 (3 years).

Model Announced Effective pixels Sensor size Continuous High (JPEG) LCD monitor
EOS-1D Sep 2001 4.2 mp 1.3x crop 8.0 fps, 21 frames 2.0″
EOS-1Ds Sep 2002 11.1 mp Full frame 3.0 fps, 10 frames 2.0″
EOS-1D Mark II Jan 2004 8.2 mp 1.3x crop 8.3 fps, 40 frames 2.0″
EOS-1Ds Mark II Sep 2004 16.7 mp Full frame 4.0 fps, 32 images 2.0″
EOS-1D Mark II N Aug 2005 8.2 mp 1.3x crop 8.3 fps, 48 images 2.5″
EOS-1D Mark III Feb 2007 10.1 mp 1.3x crop 10.0 fps, 110 images 3.0″ (Live view)
EOS-1Ds Mark III Aug 2007 21.1 mp Full frame 5.0 fps, 56 images 3.0″ (Live view)

28th We asked around a bit about the recent 1D series info and have updates on the 1D4 page and general rumours/7D page.
27th We hear of a different source, also suggesting that a new 1Ds is not that far away (within 6 months)
26th We’ve had a comment that the 1Ds3 and 1D3 lines will finally get merged next year with a new 1D style body at 26MP full frame, with a fast fps cropped mode (15MP) and complex pixel binning based modes. The AF is redesigned too.
Whilst it sounds nice, I’ve heard far more comments that the two lines are addressing different enough markets to stay apart for a while yet.
12th In Thom Hogan’s pronouncements for 2009 (worth reading) there is a suggestion that the economic climate may well push back camera releases. However, a 24MP Nikon D4 (or whatever) would mean that rather too many cameras outperform the 1Ds3 in different areas. Whilst this won’t matter to a lot of 1Ds3 users, I wonder how long Canon will be prepared to cede -some- aspects of ‘top gun’ status? The original 5D (2005) came out after the 1Ds2 (2004)

2008 September

20th Reports from several sources mention Canon working on 16 bit image technology and mention the dynamic ISO variation process. This should be thought of as matching the sensitivity of the sensor to the light falling on it, to give a greater effective dynamic range. Think of bright parts having an effective ISO of 100, while dark parts of the sensor have their sensitivity raised. You still expose to avoid clipping, but in the darker areas, the gain is raised – it will be interesting to see what the results are, but Canon want this technology in their ‘flagship’ camera.

Image processing could get more complex with the dynamic ISO, but as long as images don’t have that obvious ‘HDR’ look I won’t mind. Personally I have a similar general dislike for those obvious HDR photos you see as I do with obvious use of graduated filters – if it’s obvious, then it’s usually too much IMHO ;-)

A dual Digic 4 approach can handle a FF camera at 50D pixel density (38MP) at 1Ds speeds, while Canon are again trialling a camera with 1.6, 1.3 and FF dynamic cropping as well as movie mode, for a sports Camera.
There are two current AF design tasks going on. There is the ‘all new Pro’ version with many more AF points and new tracking algorithms, and the ‘next generation’ approach, based on the 45 point system, but with more cross and 2.8 type sensors, and a lot more processing power. The ‘All New’ version will not be seen until it has been -very- solidly tested. This will not delay the replacement of the 1D3 and 1Ds3. Expect considerable re-badging of whatever AF is found in the next 1D to make a break from the ‘problems’ of the 1D3.
There is also a good possibility of “a new high end DSLR being added to the range soon to fill market demand” …No, surely not the 3D at last! ;-)
Before the big shake-up last year, Canon kept its Pro and Consumer DSLR teams largely working on their own, however they are now much more integrated. Their CMOS technology is being very actively moved into the compact range.
Meanwhile Sony are quietly mentioning their own 50MP FF sensor in various ‘off the record’ technical briefings to their friends in the press ;-)

Some dates to consider

Model Announced Effective pixels Sensor size Continuous High (JPEG) LCD monitor
EOS-1D Sep 2001 4.2 mp 1.3x crop 8.0 fps, 21 frames 2.0″
EOS-1Ds Sep 2002 11.1 mp Full frame 3.0 fps, 10 frames 2.0″
EOS-1D Mark II Jan 2004 8.2 mp 1.3x crop 8.3 fps, 40 frames 2.0″
EOS-1Ds Mark II Sep 2004 16.7 mp Full frame 4.0 fps, 32 images 2.0″
EOS-1D Mark II N Aug 2005 8.2 mp 1.3x crop 8.3 fps, 48 images 2.5″
EOS-1D Mark III Feb 2007 10.1 mp 1.3x crop 10.0 fps, 110 images 3.0″ (Live view)
EOS-1Ds Mark III Aug 2007 21.1 mp Full frame 5.0 fps, 56 images 3.0″ (Live view)

1Ds2/1DS3 features comparison

  Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III  Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II 
Sensor 21.1 million effective pixels
6.4 µm pixel pitch
16.7 million effective pixels
7.2 µm pixel pitch
Image processor  Dual DIGIC III DIGIC II
A/D converter  14-bit 12-bit
Image sizes  5616 x 3744
4992 x 3328
4080 x 2720
2784 x 1856
4992 x 3328
3600 x 2400
3072 x 2048
2496 x 1664
RAW files  CR2 format, 14-bit
RAW full resolution
sRAW (5.2 MP)
CR2 format, 12-bit
RAW full resolution
Dust reduction  High speed vibration of filter None
Auto focus  45-point TTL CMOS sensor
19 cross-type for F2.8 or faster lens
45-point TTL CMOS sensor
7 cross-type for F4 or faster lens
AF adjustment  Yes No
Metering 63-zone linked to AF points 21-zone linked to AF points
Shutter 300,000 exposure durability 200,000 exposure durability
Noise reduction  Optional High ISO No option
White balance  Up to five personal WB presets Up to three personal WB presets
Image parameters  Picture Styles (six default, three user)
Sharpness: 0 to 7
Contrast: -4 to +4
Saturation: -4 to +4
Colour tone: -4 to +4
B&W filter: N, Ye, Or, R, G
B&W tone: N, S, B, P, G
Colour matrix (five default, two user)
Sharpness: 0 to 5
Contrast: -2 to +2
Saturation: -2 to +2
Colour tone: -2 to +2
Viewfinder  100% frame coverage
Magnification: 0.76x
Eyepoint: 20 mm
100% frame coverage
Magnification: 0.70x
Eyepoint: 20 mm
ISO in viewfinder  Yes No
LCD monitor  3.0″ TFT LCD
230,000 pixels
7 brightness levels
2.0″ TFT LCD
230,000 pixels
5 brightness levels
LCD Live View  Yes No
Playback modes  Exposure line at top in single image view No exposure in single image view
Silent shooting  Yes (quieter release) No
Continuous shooting  5.0 / 3.0 fps
Up to 56 JPEG Large/Fine images
5.0 fps
Up to 32 JPEG Large/Fine images
Auto rotate  On (recorded and LCD display)
On (recorded only)
Off
On
Off
My Menu  Up to six menu options can be customised No
Menu languages  18 15
Custom functions  57 20
Hot-shoe water resistance  Yes (with 580 EX II) No
Storage Compact Flash slot (UDMA support)
SD card slot (SDHC support)
USB drives via WFT-E2/E2A
Compact Flash slot
SD card slot
Data connectivity  USB 2.0 Hi-Speed USB 1.1
Firewire IEEE 1394
Battery power  Lithium-Ion LP-E4 rechargeable battery Ni-MH NP-E3 rechargeable battery
Dimensions 150 x 160 x 80 mm (6.1 x 6.2 x 3.1 in) 156 x 158 x 80 mm (6.1 x 6.2 x 3.1 in)
Weight No battery: 1.2 kg (2.6 lb)
With battery: 1.4 kg (3.1 lb)
No battery: 1.2 kg (2.6 lb)
With battery: 1.5 kg (3.3 lb)

And yes – I’m still (aug 2007) using the one below – great camera!

The original EOS 1Ds

Canon 1Ds DSLR

Featuring a full frame 35mm CMOS sensor, with 11.1 million effective pixels. Targeting the professional user that seeks the highest image quality, the EOS-1Ds captures astounding detail & colour.

Full Frame

Having a full frame sensor the same size & aspect ratio as 35mm film allows the use of wide-angle lenses without any focal length magnification, a traditional limitation of previous digital cameras.

High Resolution

The EOS-1Ds has made a huge leap in resolution by means of the continuous development of the CMOS sensor. Canon’s ground breaking CMOS technologies deliver high resolution, low noise and low power consumption. With its extremely high resolution, the EOS-1Ds has been designed to meet the needs of those professional photographers who require the ultimate in digital image quality. The camera will be ideal for professionals active in a wide range of specialities including studio, commercial, reportage, or fashion photography.

Professional and quick response

The EOD-1Ds can capture images at approximately 3 frames per second for a 10-frame burst, even at the highest quality setting. It features the same shooting functions and operation system as the EOS 1D. The EOS 1Ds has fast shutter speeds with a maximum shutter speed of 1/8000 sec and X-sync at 1/250 sec. Users have the choice of an ISO speed range of 100-1250 and ISO 50 provided with custom functions. Photographers also benefit from the high speed, high precision 45 -point area auto focus and 21-zone metering.

Colour Quality

The EOS-1Ds sees the introduction of Canon’s new imaging engine. This has been specially designed to achieve high image quality, excellent colour reproduction and a wide tonal range equal to, or better than, the 35mm slide film often favoured by professionals. In addition, the CMOS sensor’s extremely high signal to noise ratio means that noise is minimized, even at the equivalent of ISO 1250.

Reliability

The EOS-1Ds incorporates outstanding professional features tried and tested by the EOS-1D including the same dust and water resistance. The Chassis and external covers are made of magnesium allow for light weight and excellent rigidity. The shutter has been tested to an incredible 150,000 exposures.

Advanced Features

In response to customer requests, an image enlargement function has been introduced. 25 sections of a selected image can be enlarged on the camera’s LCD screen, thus allowing users to check for detail & sharpness.

As CMOS sensors consume less power than CCDs, battery life has been improved, so that the NP-E3 battery pack can now capture up to 600 exposures on one charge (at 20° C). With the high-speed FireWire standard IEEE1394 you will get 40 MB per second high speed transfer to give rapid plug & play downloads to a computer. CF cards can be formatted in either the FAT16 or FAT32 file system. Formatting in FAT32 is intended for high-capacity CF cards over 2GB and is selected automatically by the camera when formatting this type of card.

Other leading innovations include the unique ability to dial in colour temperatures to meet specific lighting conditions. 10 White Balance (WB) modes and WB bracketing provide maximum flexibility and superb colour accuracy. ISO speed bracketing allows photographers to fix aperture and shutter speeds, yet shoot at 3 different equivalent film speeds. Such advances offer the professional advanced creative opportunities. Entirely new software is available for the EOS-1Ds from the EOS Digital Solutions Disk and is compatible with both Windows and Mac operating systems.

The camera also features a CF card type I/II slot enabling the use of CF cards and IBM Microdrives.

An optional accessory, the Data Verification Kit DVK-E1 consists of a dedicated IC card and card reader, together with special software for Windows 2000/XP. This allows one to check that the EOS-1Ds’ image files have remained absolutely unaltered after being circulated. This may well be a landmark for digital imaging in law enforcement, copyright and many other areas. Availability of this is to be confirmed.

The EOS-1Ds is compatible with over 60 of Canon’s EF lenses. Canon has also extended its professional photographic system by introducing the Macro Twin Lite MT-24EX for extremely versatile macro flash photography.

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