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New EOS camera design from CanonEOS 80D - the EOS 70D replacement

Rumours about the Canon EOS 80D DSLR

Potentially 2015/16?

70D announced on 2nd July 2013

Latest News

2013 July

  • 2nd The 70D is announced:
    • 20.2 megapixel APS-C CMOS sensor and DIGIC 5+
    • 19 point cross-type AF System and 7 fps shooting
    • Dual Pixel CMOS AF
    • Instant sharing and remote control with Wi-Fi
    • ISO 12800 (H:25600)
    • Vari-angle 7.7cm ClearView II LCD touch screen
    • Intelligent viewfinder
    • Full-HD movies
  • Expect a variant of this in the 7Dmk2 and the 750D, and maybe the next 'new' standard APS-C sensor to appear in the 80D or 7Dmk3

June

  • 22nd So, we now have the 700D, 100D and EOS-M all using derivatives of the 18MP sensor that appeared in the 7D in 2009

2012 December

  • 23rd No signs of a 70D this year - the 60D Is reportedly in short supply. There have been some comments that there won't be a 70D...

June

  • 8th The 650D is announced
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2011 May

  • 15th With suggestions that the 70D will be a 2012 camera - probably not much to see here until 2014 at the earliest...

February

2010 August

  • 26th The 60D is announced - signifying a 'redirection' for the XXD range - sitting between the XXXD and 1.6 crop XD.
  • 22nd With the 60D expected next week, it's interesting to note the way that almost all our XXD info from a few years ago was predicated on 12 or at most 18 month cycles - it's been 24 months for the 60D
  • So, is the 80D set for a pre photokina announcement in 2014 with the big news at the show being the 5D Mk4?
  • Below - our (updated) EOS DSLR timeline.
  Sensor  2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014
1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4
Flagship Full       1Ds 1Ds Mk II 1Ds Mk III 1D X    
APS-H     1D 1D Mk II 1D Mk II N 1D Mk III 1D Mk IV              
Video                           1D C    
High Full             5D 5D Mk II 5D MkIII    
APS-C                     7D    
'Better'  Full                             6D    
APS-C D30 D60 10D 20D 30D 40D 50D 60D 70D    
Mid APS-C         300D
Digital Rebel
Kiss Digital
350D
Digital Rebel XT
Kiss Digital N
400D
Digital Rebel XTi
Kiss Digital X
450D
Rebel XSi
Kiss X2
500D
T1i
Kiss X3
550D
T2i
Kiss X4
600D
T3i
X5
650D
T4i
X6i
700D
T5i
X7i
   
Micro APS-C                           100D
SL1
X7
   
Entry APS-C                   1000D
Rebel XS
Kiss F
1100D
Rebel T3
Kiss X50
1200D
T5
X70
Mirrorless APS-C                           M M2  

Note: dates start in announcement quarter, not shipping dates.

Video capable | Digic | Digic 2 | Digic 3 dual | Digic 4 dual | Digic 5 dual

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2009 April

  • 12th At last, the 70D appears in someone's camera spec list [HDR]
  • The 70D gets 12 fps and up to 11 auto-bracket frames.
  • Looks good until you see the form at the bottom of the page where you can add details for updates.
  • Should soon be time for someone to rediscover the bar code site and send me details of the 80D or something...
  • Follow the 'Discussions' [DPR]
  • Last time I checked, not one person had scrolled down to the bottom of the page to see the data entry form :-)

2008 September

  • 3rd We've had a load of 60D/ 'future developments' info sent to us, which suggest that the 70D will be here in August 2010 and will probably be ~20MP
  • Info on the 60D page (now updated with lots more info just received)

August

  • 30th Already we have the first thread on the 70D at DPR some time in late 2009

(predicted content ;-)

#1 Have you seen this?
#2 What do they know
#3 FAKE!
#4 Could you elaborate on xxx
#5 Jeez, cant you people just get out more
#6 You don't have to read it
#7 Those that really know can't say
#8 70D AF issues
#9 Is that all?
#10 I'm switching to Nikon/Sony
#11 It probably back / front focuses
#12 What still no built in pro AF
#13 Why not 1.3 crop all cameras should be 1.3 crop
#14 Why not full frame - Canon are ripping is off again
#15 Its going to be so noisy I'll have to keep my 10D
#16 The more MP are a waste, the lenses can't resolve that
#17 It's all lies from from crazy fan boy
#18 What, no built in IS:
#19 I'll have to be the first to own one
#20 Why would anyone want one

Here's our recent [2008!] techy hints we had from one of our more detailed sources

"The 50D sensor and image processing are a major step forward in what has been a multi-year strategy for Canon to take sensor technology to the limits of physics, simultaneously achieving higher ISOs, lower noise and higher dynamic range.  Note Chuck Westall’s announcement that the 50D sensor has 1 to 1 and a half stops better noise than the 40D sensor despite the smaller pixels.  Several core strategies have been pursued simultaneously for this:

So what does this mean?

The 50D DIGIC IV sensor and image processing technology is felt to be Canon’s biggest jump in many years.

The same technology will allow a 21-25mp FF sensor to have 1 to 1.5 stops better noise performance than the 3 year old 12mp sensor in the 5D.

Canon are not going to watch market share be lost in the 1D range to Nikon and are actively planning to incorporate this technology in the 1 series as well, sooner than many might expect.

Canon have hit the limits on light gathering but believe there is a good 1 to 1.5 stops lower noise still to be achieved at the physical electrical level before they reach the limits of physics (background noise due to heat etc) and are working on the circuit design for this (native 12800 being one goal)

The other technologies in the image processing, pixel binning, dynamic range preservation space are seen as all offering room for significant further improvement in the image delivered to the photographer.  Canon have a vision where the imagine processing is so good that it is capable of transparently capturing the dynamic range of a scene and converting it into a JPEG in a way that for most consumers cuts out blown highlights and detail lost in shadow without further processing."

26th The 50D is released - table below updated. Next August for the 60D or was the 50D just moved ahead for competition reasons?

Well... there is a 60D thread at DPR already discussing this ;-)

21st The 40D to 50D update is compared to the 20D/30D update in a post from someone who claims to have used one [DPR] - first mention of a 60D we see :-)

July 8th Is a 40D refresh being moved from the expected 18 month cycle (we'll see it at PMA in 2009) or will new sensor technology make it into the 50D for Photokina [potn]

Whilst I've been sent various info on the new sensor developments, the only line that was slated for potentially moving to annual updates was the bottom end of the DSLR range.

Meanwhile here's the recent history of similar models

Model
Announced
Effective pixels
Auto focus
Continuous (JPEG) LCD monitor
EOS D30 Apr 2000 3.1 mp 3 point 3.0 fps, 3 frames 1.8"
EOS D60 Feb 2002 6.3 mp 3 point 3.3 fps, 8 frames 1.8"
EOS 10D Feb 2003 6.3 mp 7 point 3.3 fps, 9 frames 1.8"
EOS 20D Aug 2004 8.2 mp 9 point 5.0 fps, 23 frames 1.8"
EOS 30D Feb 2006 8.2 mp 9 point 5.0 / 3.0 fps, 30 frames 2.5"
EOS 40D Aug 2007 10.1 mp 9 point 6.5 / 3.0 fps, 85 frames 3.0" (Live view)
EOS 50D Aug 2008 15.1 mp 9 point 6.3 / 3.0 fps, 60/90 frames 3.0" VGA

Our most recent info (originally on our 1Ds3 page) about Canon's plans over the next few years was sent in August (shortly before the 40D was announced)

  • Sensor technology - Canon have mentioned that full frame sensor chips need two stepper passes. Sony now has the technology to do this in one pass and are preparing their own sensors and selling to them Nikon.  However, Canon have a new 'one pass' technology too. What's more, it can do even larger than 35mm (36x24mm) in a single pass. 
  • Canon is very excited about a next generation CMOS sensors they are working on.  Two full frame versions have 40M and 50M pixels at the -same- noise level as the current 1D series. Low power supply voltages give cooler chips and lower noise even with smaller pixels. Different circuit fabrication techniques also promise to make close to 100% of the sensor area active pixels. This technology won't make any of the upcoming models, but is expected in 2009/10.
  • The competition - Canon were somewhat shocked by the success of the Nikon D80, D40 and D40X. Hence the 'improved' 40D and the improved 400D replacement in the works. Canon know what Nikon have coming (D300 and D3) and have planned the 40D, 1Ds III and 1D III as their answers.
  • However Nikon is moving to CMOS sensors to over the next couple of years.  Sony are moving CMOS to a near full frame (1.25 or so) and full (35mm) FF, so Canon is getting serious and starting to plan some aggressive upgrades.
  • Sony worries Canon somewhat, since with their manufacturing capabilities, they could move the whole price base down for SLRs. So far they haven’t and their lens prices and range are not a worry for Canon. The current Sony Alpha has been less than astounding in the market.
  • Moreover, Nikon have the camera credibility and certainly won’t stop with the D3 and D300. Their plans for the lower end (D40-D80 as well) are to replace them in much shorter timeframes than their previous 3-4 years.  Nikon have moved emphasis from the low end 'point and shoot' digital into R&D on the DLSRs. They've found this to be 3-4 times as profitable (note Nikon's record profits over last 12 months).  Nikon is more than happy with trouncing Canon for the last 12 months in Japan (not so world wide).  So the next 2-3 years will see a major DSLR feature 'war'.
  • IS Technology - This is being introduced in some of their consumer grade lenses. The technology has matured to the point that it can be added at only a small price premium. It gives product differentiation - a reaction to Sony and keeps them ahead of Nikon.
  • Digic IV - Digic III just won't cut it for the new high density sensors. Digic IV can deal with with the transfer rates for higher bit per pixel images. One Digic IV chip beats the two Digic III in the 1D3.
  • 16 bit RAW - Canon's target for their next generation of sensors is 16 bits per channel giving true HD quality.  They are also looking at processing formats to retain that extra definition.
  • ISO sensitivity - Canon see their next generation lower voltage CMOS as easily doing ISO6400, with a boost to 12800.

60D/50D/7D comparisons

Canon EOS 60D Canon EOS 7D Canon EOS 50D
Construction Polycarbonate resin with glass fibre on aluminum chassis Magnesium alloy body Magnesium alloy body
Sensor 22.3 x 14.9 mm CMOS sensor
RGB Colour Filter Array
Built-in fixed low-pass filter (with self-cleaning unit)
19 million total pixels
18 million effective pixels
3:2 aspect ratio
22.3 x 14.9 mm CMOS sensor
RGB Colour Filter Array
Built-in fixed low-pass filter (with self-cleaning unit)
19 million total pixels
18 million effective pixels
3:2 aspect ratio
22.3 x 14.9 mm CMOS sensor
RGB Colour Filter Array
Built-in fixed low-pass filter (with self-cleaning unit)
15.5 million total pixels
15.1 million effective pixels
3:2 aspect ratio
Processor DIGIC 4 Dual DIGIC 4 DIGIC 4
ISO range Auto ISO (100-3200)
ISO 100-6400 in 0.3 or 1.0 EV increments
H (12800) expansion
Adjustable Auto ISO limit
Auto ISO (100-3200)
ISO 100-6400 in 0.3 or 1.0 EV increments
H (12800) expansion
Auto ISO (100-1600)
ISO 100 - 3200
0.3 or 1.0 EV increments
H1 (6400) and H2 (12800) expansion
Movie resolution 1920 x 1080 (29.97, 25, 23.976 fps)
1280 x 720 (59.94, 50 fps)
640 x 480 (59.94, 50 fps)
1920 x 1080 (29.97, 25, 23.976 fps)
1280 x 720 (59.94, 50 fps)
640 x 480 (59.94, 50 fps)
N/A
AF sensor 9 cross-type AF points (f/2.8 at center)
Center point additionally sensitive with lenses of F2.8 or faster
AF working range: -0.5 - 18 EV (at 23°C, ISO 100)
19 cross-type AF points (f/2.8 at center)
Center point additionally sensitive with lenses of F2.8 or faster
AF working range: -0.5 - 18 EV (at 23°C, ISO 100)
9 cross-type AF points (f/2.8 at center)
Center point additionally sensitive with lenses of F2.8 or faster
AF working range: -0.5 - 18 EV (at 23°C, ISO 100)
Metering sensor TTL full aperture metering with 63 zone Dual Layer (iFCL)
Metering range: EV 1 - 20 EV
TTL full aperture metering with 63 zone Dual Layer SPC
Metering range: EV 1 - 20 EV
TTL 35 zone SPC
Metering range: EV 0.0 - 20 EV
Viewfinder Eye-level pentaprism
96% frame coverage
Magnification: 0.95x
Eyepoint: 22 mm
Interchangeable focusing screen Ef-A standard (2 other types optional)
Dioptric adjustment: -3.0 to +1.0 diopter
Eye-level pentaprism
100% frame coverage
Approx. 1.0x magnification
Eyepoint: 22 mm
Fixed screen (Transmissive LCD screen)
Dioptric adjustment: -3.0 to +1.0 diopter
Eye-level pentaprism
95% frame coverage
Magnification: 0.95x
Eyepoint: 22 mm
Interchangeable focusing screen Ef-A standard (2 other types optional)
Dioptric adjustment: -3.0 to +1.0 diopter
LCD panel 3.0 " TFT LCD
1040,000 dots (3:2)
100% coverage
160 ° viewing angle
Dual anti-reflection
Articulated
3.0 " TFT LCD
920,000 dots (4:3)
100% coverage
160 ° viewing angle
Coating : Anti-reflection and Solid Structure
3.0 " TFT LCD
920,000 dots (4:3)
100% coverage
160 ° viewing angle
Dual anti-reflection
Continuous shooting buffer Approx. 5.3 fps
Up to 58 JPEGs, 16 images (RAW)
Approx. 8 fps
Up to 126 JPEGs (with UDMA card), 15 images (RAW)
Approx. 6.3fps
Up to 90 frames (with UDMA card), 16 frames (RAW)
Memory format SD / SDHC / SDXC Compact Flash (I, II and UDMA) Compact Flash (I, II and UDMA)
Dimensions 145 x 106 x 79 mm
(5.7 x 4.2 x 3.1 in)
148 x 111 x 74 mm
(5.8 x 4.3 x 2.8 in)
146 x 108 x 74 mm
(5.7 x 4.2 x 2.9 in)
Weight (inc battery) 755 g (1.6 lb) 904 g (2.0 lb) 822 g (1.8 lb)


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