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2010 August

  • 21st Apart from the pictures earlier in the month, very little 60D info has leaked out yet. If 50D experience is anything to go by, expect one or two well timed 'accidental' releases in the next few days.
  • 19th Some compact cameras today - 60D likely next week.
  • 18th 18MP, flip out screen, same processor as 7D, otherwise similar to 550D, price 999 Euros [EN French]
  • Lens rumours too.
  • 17th No sign of any announcements... but an interesting new Canon patent on a wireless flash system and more suggested announcement dates on the main rumour page
  • 16th There is a purported 60D review on youtube, but with no sound it doesn't actually advance knowledge of this rumoured camera very much at all :-)
  • 14th Canon is sending out press invites worldwide for events on the 26th. I'd expect an announcement earlier that week, although Sony have announcements on the 24th [EL].
    • Whilst of no news to seasoned rumour watchers, it's worth pointing out that at this time of the year, forums are awash with comments that point to rumours based on collections of rumours, based on an original from somewhere like CR or here. Worst for this are some of the tech news aggregator sites which like to dress up snippets in their own wrappers. A good example of all of this is this DPR thread.
  • There are some reports of a new 60D picture at Xinmin - this is just the old 60D with the number altered.
  • 11th No announcement but 60D pictures are seen at a Japanese site [KK]
  • A flip screen it is then...

canon 60d showing rear view

  • 9th Noises about the 60D [CR] -18MP and a tilt screen?
  • 4th The 50D is dropping off store listings - Ted's in Australia for example [thanks]
  • 3rd Announcement next Wednesday? (11th) 60D and a compact? CR - but what of the 1000D replacement
  • I note that the 1Ds2 wasn't announced until Photokina 2004 (21 Sept)
  • Pk runs from 21st Sept. to the 26th this year, so perhaps a 1Ds4 and a stack of lenses on the 15th Sept?

July

  • 30th Initially no change to the DxO page with the 60D mentioned, but then they all go :-)
  • 29th If there is not to be a 60D then perhaps someone should tel DxO not to develop lens correction modules for it. This from their schedules:
    • Canon EOS 60D Canon EF50mm f/1.4 USM Standard/Elite Novembre 2010
    • Canon EOS 60D Canon EF-S 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM Standard/Elite Novembre 2010
    • Canon EOS 60D Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Standard/Elite Novembre 2010
    • Canon EOS 60D Canon EF-S 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Standard/Elite Novembre 2010
    • Canon EOS 60D Canon EF100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM Standard/Elite Decembre 2010
    • Canon EOS 60D Canon EF100mm f/2.8 Macro USM Standard/Elite Decembre 2010
    • Canon EOS 60D Canon EF100mm f/2.8L IS USM Macro Standard/Elite Decembre 2010
    • Canon EOS 60D Canon EF16-35mm f/2.8L II USM Standard/Elite Decembre 2010
    • Canon EOS 60D Canon EF17-40mm f/4L USM Standard/Elite Decembre 2010
    • Canon EOS 60D Canon EF24-105mm f/4L IS USM Standard/Elite Decembre 2010
    • Canon EOS 60D Canon EF24-70mm f/2.8L USM Standard/Elite Decembre 2010
    • Canon EOS 60D Canon EF28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 USM Standard/Elite Decembre 2010
    • Canon EOS 60D Canon EF28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L IS USM Standard/Elite Decembre 2010
    • Canon EOS 60D Canon EF70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM Standard/Elite Decembre 2010
    • Canon EOS 60D Canon EF70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM Standard/Elite Decembre 2010
    • Canon EOS 60D Canon EF70-200mm f/2.8L USM Standard/Elite Decembre 2010
    • Canon EOS 60D Canon EF70-200mm f/4L IS USM Standard/Elite Decembre 2010
    • Canon EOS 60D Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM Standard/Elite Decembre 2010
    • Canon EOS 60D Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM Standard/Elite Decembre 2010
    • Canon EOS 60D Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM Standard/Elite Decembre 2010
    • Canon EOS 60D Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Standard/Elite Decembre 2010
    • Canon EOS 60D Sigma 18-200mm f3.5-6.3 DC OS Standard/Elite Decembre 2010
    • Canon EOS 60D Sigma 24-70mm F2.8 IF EX DG HSM Standard/Elite Decembre 2010
    • Canon EOS 60D Tokina AT-X116 PRO DX Standard/Elite Decembre 2010
    • Canon EOS 60D Canon EF15mm f/2.8 Fisheye Standard/Elite Janvier 2011
    • Canon EOS 60D Canon EF16-35mm f/2.8L USM Standard/Elite Janvier 2011
    • Canon EOS 60D Canon EF200mmf/2.8L II USM Standard/Elite Janvier 2011 s
    • Canon EOS 60D Canon EF24mm f/1.4L II USM Standard/Elite Janvier 2011
    • Canon EOS 60D Canon EF300mm f/4L IS USM Standard/Elite Janvier 2011
    • Canon EOS 60D Canon EF400mm f/5.6L USM Standard/Elite Janvier 2011
    • Canon EOS 60D Sigma 8-16mm F4.5-5.6 DC HSM Standard/Elite Janvier 2011
    • Canon EOS 60D Tamron AF18-250mm F/3.5-6.3 Di-II LD Aspherical (IF) Macro Standard/Elite Janvier 2011
    • Canon EOS 60D Tamron AF18-270mm F/3.5-6.3 Di-II VC LD Aspherical (IF) Macro Standard/Elite Janvier 2011
    • Canon EOS 60D Tamron SP AF28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di LD Aspherical (IF) Standard/Elite Janvier 2011
  • Suggests a 60D announcement pretty soon?
  • 13th In some more 60D details (thanks) we hear that the 2000D will have a side hinged display and the
    • "60D has a fixed screen but has a right-hand grip that can rotate 90° backward so that the cam can be held like a camcorder during Live View and EOS Movie mode. Digic V enables ultra-fast "hybrid AF" by using 2-stage AF (phase detect for gross defocus + contrast-detect AF as fine-tuning in front/behind the FP) during LV & EOS Movie mode."
  • I note that on CR there are mentions of 'new features' for the 60D. Not ever having used a camcorder, I've no idea how practical the grip suggestion is?
  • No sign announcements today...
  • 11th A more detailed set of specs (thanks) including Digic V.
  • Although there are a lot of specs flying about at the moment, this one has a bit more detail than most we hear (usual caveats apply)
    • 18MP
    • Viewfinder: 98%, 0,96x magnification
    • LCD: 3", 1150K-pixel, OLED. (Articulating screen on the new 1000D)
    • 19 AF points,
    • 1080p, 30fps, Autofocus, Stereo microphone.
    • 7.4 fps, 14 bit
    • DiGIC V,
    • AE micro adjustment (+/- 3 EV range with 1/6EV steps)
    • New battery: Li-Polymer battery (LP-E7),
    • Magnesium BG-E7 battery grip with AF-ON and mini-joystick selector buttons duplicated.
  • I'm away for a few days, so updates might be delayed.
  • 10th Lots of people expecting an announcement next week - mostly for the 60D, but we had one comment that the 60D wouldn't appear before a 1000D replacement (although a dual launch was possible)
  • 6th In a new record, we get 3 different versions of the 60D specs sent...
  • All agree on 18MP and 50D size. 2:1 on no flip out screen.
  • More solid info from Canon for the 2020 model at GM - presumably available in black too?
  • 5th Don't like the specs below?, well a different version (and an August announcement) at CR
  • 1st We're sent some 60D specs [thanks] that sound less far fetched than a lot of what we get sent.
    • Of course, it's always worth remembering the caveats that apply to -all- our rumour pages - this stuff is here for interest and extertainment - take it with a suitable pinch of salt. It would be nice if rock solid info came by, but such is the nature of rumours ;-)
  • 18MP, 6.5 fps, Digic 5, HD Video as per 7D
  • 50D form factor with similar build and sealing
  • BG-EIIN2 for same battery as 7/5D2
  • WiFi and GPS were also mentioned.

June

  • 30th 50D availability info from Australia (thanks) pointing to many suppliers only listing the 18-200 kit version.
  • A smaller 14.2MP sensor is suggested at CR, although with the 550D at 18MP 14.2 would be a tough sell to the marketing department (perhaps not for a 2000D though)
  • 28th More info (thanks) on 50D price drops in Australia.
  • 26th A comment received (thanks) that the 60D has an 18MP sensor that in testing, works well at 12800 ISO.
  • This compares with the latest spec list at CR which says 6400
    • 60D spec lists seem to be quite common at the moment - but as yet, no really solid rumours like those that preceded the 7D. I've had several people suggest that an articulating screen is a non starter for a 'serious' camera. Would this be similar to the muttering over Liveview, and a lot longer ago, over Auto Focus... I have myself not been immune to initially thinking 'I won't need that' for a feature I now use a lot.
  • 25th July's camera to have flip out screen? Is this the 50D replacement? [CR]
    • Movie focused
    • Swivel LCD
    • Between the T2i & 7D
    • A smaller form factor than the 50D, but not by much.
  • Then again it could be the 55D [RP]
    • ...although you'd expect the Canon design people to do a better job of lining up the second '5' ;-)
  • 20th More suggestions that the 50D is living on borrowed time [PR]
  • The table below shows the progress of the xxD lineup to date
  • Model
    Announced
    Effective pixels
    Auto focus
    Continuous (JPEG) LCD monitor
    EOS D30 Apr 2000 3.1 mp 3 point 3.0 fps, 3 frames 1.8"
    EOS D60 Feb 2002 6.3 mp 3 point 3.3 fps, 8 frames 1.8"
    EOS 10D Feb 2003 6.3 mp 7 point 3.3 fps, 9 frames 1.8"
    EOS 20D Aug 2004 8.2 mp 9 point 5.0 fps, 23 frames 1.8"
    EOS 30D Feb 2006 8.2 mp 9 point 5.0 / 3.0 fps, 30 frames 2.5"
    EOS 40D Aug 2007 10.1 mp 9 point 6.5 / 3.0 fps, 85 frames 3.0" (Live view)
    EOS 50D Aug 2008 15.1 mp 9 point 6.3 / 3.0 fps, 60/90 frames 3.0" VGA LV
  • 4th A UK dealer comment that 50D availability 'looks like they are closing it out' - but no details on what's next or when.

May

  • a 60D picture28th Some reports [CR] of shortages of the 50D in kit form. None at the UK Canon eBay shop (lots of 450Ds and 5dMK2s at £1600)
  • The only recent comment on the 60D that we've had was a resounding 'There will be no 60D'
    • I'm still not convinced that Canon would just 'kill off' the xxD line.
  • 21st A better looking 60D picture is sent to us - good to see people making a few more changes from the 50D... ;-)
  • 9th Update - we've been sent one of Canon's 50D pictures (thanks) that is virtually identical to the one below - this one looks to be moved to the 'Busted' category ;-)
    • Where have all the good fakes gone?
  • After a long break, we're sent (thanks) a potential 60D picture (below). This was apparently posted on a Luminous Landscape forum (LL) and appears to be watermarked from nphoto.com (no sign of it there?)
  • Looks like a 50D, but expect to see it doing the rounds ;-)
  • A more usual style of 'leaked' picture (this time it's the 2002 vintage D60) appears in a quickly debunked thread [DPR] via D1
  • The only difference I spotted in the '60D' pic left was that the reflection of the sensor had a blue colour, as opposed to the greenish that shows in 50D pics - however that's hardly solid evidence...
  • 7th A suggestion (thanks) that the 60D and 1Ds4 will feature the new Digic V processor (x2 in the 1Ds4)

April

  • 30th An interesting Canon Patent includes GPS, and in-body IS - lots of stuff that could show the gap between the 550D and a 60D (not sure about the TV tuner though...)
  • 29th Another comment (thanks) suggesting that the 60D will be announced in May and available in June.
    • 18.3MP and 6.5fps
  • Similar pointers at [CR], including a 'novel' feature.
  • 26th A 'drop' to 13.8MP for the 60D [CR].
  • 25th A comment (thanks) about testing of a new APS-C body (no model designation)
  • Major features are 18MP/6.5fps and a G11 style 'flip-out' screen. Dedicated video switch and button like the 7D.
  • 13th The pre-photokina 1Ds4 announcement timing gets a vote at CR, where the '60D' gets slotted in some time earlier in the summer. Add in the long expected 24-70 IS and other regulars, and you have all the usual suspects (3yr cycle for 1Ds 3->4 and 2 yr for the 50D->'60D') ... no mention of a 3D though ;-)
  • 11th Not sure if this [Fup] is just a rehash of the 60D rumour specs that have been rolling round from page to page for a while...
    • 18 megapixels (same sensor 7D)
    • New Focus with 11 points
    • Same LCD screen of Canon 550D, Same video mode of the Canon 550D
    • 6 fps, Optical viewfinder with no coverage at 100%, ISO 12800
  • May/June announcement. There is a picture too, but it looks like a top view of the 50D
  • 5th A series of 50D 'instant' rebates (in the US) running until June 5th
    • 50D Body Only: $100
      50D + 28-135 IS: $100
      50D + 70-300 IS: $250
      50D + 28-135 IS & 70-300 IS: $250
  • 2nd At CR, they run a 60D spec received on April 1st... Announcement May/June 18MP.
    • I'd have thought something 'new' about the camera rather than a warmed over 550D in a xxD sized body - that said, I've not seen any solid/reliable info for ages. There are lots of build differences (VF and micro adjustment for example) that could be used to differentiate models, guess it all depends on what the marketing dept thinks...

March

  • 15th Another comment (thanks) that the xxD line is not dead [just resting? ;-) ] and will be used to advance the APS-C range whilst giving time for a longer 7D -> 7D Mk2 gap.
  • 8th Thanks to everyone who sent details of a 60D sighting on the Canon Taiwan site. Move along now, it was just the 6MP D60 from back in 2002...
    • After no real 60D info for some time, I get back from the Focus trade show at the NEC (UK) and I hear that there will be a 60D, but it will be used to debut some 'new technologies' - No more details, and this is not someone using an email I've seen before. We've had comments that the 60D would get a flip out screen for some time, but at the moment I'm still putting my money on the 60D moving to the almost mythical status of the 3D.

February

  • 18th We've now had several suggestions that there is an announcement next week (23rd). DigitalRev say (via Twt) that they have an invite for an event then.
  • Is a 1Ds4 more likely than a 60D? - could be some lenses too...
  • 8th No rumours of note over the weekend...
  • 4th I'll keep an eye out for announcements today, but next week is still my bet...
  • It seems that Canon is holding an event in the UK at the BAFTA awards on Monday (8th) called "Canon at the movies" [PL]
  • Could this be the 60D? ...a 'movie focused camera'
  • However, we've also heard of people being invited to a Canon product release on the 9th. So maybe an out and out video cam ( like this) on the 8th and an SLR (or two) on the 9th?
  • 3rd A suggestion via DPR that we will get a 60D tomorrow
    • "CMOS 18MPs
      6.3fps
      HD 24 and 36fps
      Digic IV
      Very competitive Price."
  • 36fps is probably a typo though ;-)
  • I'd also expect the announcement next week, but we should find out pretty soon...

January

  • 27th We received a comment that the 60D would be pushing the video side of things even more than the 7D.
  • Does this signify a slight divergance in market aims? We've already been told that Canon does not see the one series as their best video platform, but wants to keep the 5D2 and next year's 5D Mk3 as the top choice for DSLR video.
  • We're still waiting for more info as to whether a 3D will fit into the lineup. The interesting prospect suggested was:
  • I'm not sure about this one at all, just seems a bit too well planned ;-)
  • Meanwhile, at an Israeli forum there is suggestions that we will see a 550D (or 600D) and a 60D in the near future [via CR]
  • 60D Specs
  • 550D/600D Specs
  • 21st At CR there is a suggestion of a new camera smaller than a 50D.
  • 18th 18MP and 6.3 fps in a 50D like body are suggested again.
  • 17th A suggestion that what's coming up in February will be a new DSLR positioned 'between' the 50D/500D
  • 6th The 60D is mentioned for a possible February launch at CR
  • If it's based around a 7D type sensor and has some of the 7D AF improvements, then along with the video, it makes a reasonable jump from the 50D.
  • We've had suggestions in the past that the next xxD and xxxD cameras would finally get flip screens.

2009 December

  • 20th We hear (thanks) of a Canon camera being tested - in form quite similar to a 50D, but with 18MP and 6.3 fps. Full 1080 video, with video controls similar to the 7D but allegedly only 1 processor (Digic V anyone?)
  • 15th No firm info on a possible 60D. We've had nothing sent more solid than this at DPR
  • One issue is that any 60D has in some respects to
  • fit 'below' the 7D. We were told that this might push the 60D back to this summer (2yrs from the 50D) where it could more clearly bring in some advanced features.
  • 4th A dealer in the far East suggested 50D ordering difficulties and a 60D -this- month.
  • Whilst 50D supplies might be dwindling, I don't think December is a good month for product announcement - our last direct comment received still said early next year.
  • I'm still testing the 7D, but outdoors testing is being slowed by a rather sore throat :-(

October

  • 20th The 1Dmk4 probably wraps up this year's Canon announcements, so no 60D until next year?

September

  • 2nd As the 7D specs are digested, there's much talk of whether the 7D -is- the 60D. No, we're told (thanks) that the xxD line is still being positioned as the move 'up' for xxxD owners.

August

  • 26th In a general update we hear that the 60D is on an 18 month cycle and won't appear until February - but in the mean time there's a new pro crop model (info on the 7D page)
    • 60D Feb 2010. 50D like, but with an all new sensor emphasising low light performance. Upgraded AF (more points). Improved LV as per xD. DiGIC V. Focus on improving 'in-camera' image processing. Look for new interface aimed at offering much higher quality 'point&click' options in xxD and lower cameras. Canon is looking at better images for jpeg users ;-)
  • 25th Whoops, sorry... it was news from last year - early September then ;-)
  • Announcement tomorrow? The Swedish Kamera&Bild site is saying they got an invite to a Canon press event tomorrow. They still mention a possible 22nd September announcement too.
  • Same battery for the 50D/60D? An advert for a charger includes 60D compatibility [bicc].
  • 22nd The camera top image below is still getting a lot of comments about whether it's been photoshopped much. 60D fans saying it's obvious - 7D fans saying not :-)
  • 21st New camera view at a Spanish store? Says FF, but looks xxD
  • See 7D page
  • 20th After yesterday's announcements, the rumour mill is definitely working overtime.
  • The picture below was briefly posted on a Taiwan forum.
  • The collection of buttons, and the location of the power switch (below the mode dial) are an interesting combination.
  • Of course it could be the 7D?
  • Note that the dial has no 'Scene' modes like the 50D does - if real - this moves me more to the 7D side :-)
  • Some time ago we were told that Canon was looking at when (not if) to introduce a fold out LCD - time to get the power switch out of the way?
  • Is it the top plate from a new camera? 60D or 7D - (a 3D would not have pop up flash ;-)

top plate of 60D body

Here's the 50D for comparison

50D top view

and here's the 5D Mk2 top

19th A whole slew of small Canon cameras are announced [DPR]

Seems like a burst of 7D rumours erupted this morning - but if there was any DSLR announcement to be made, it might well have come at the same time as the point'n'click range was refreshed.

No signs (12 noon UK) of any news or even the usual pre-announcement 'leak' on a Canon site somewhere.

You can check out our info from this time last year, which was one of the more comprehensive sets of info we've been sent, covering this year and next.

  • Since anything with more MP will rekindle the 'ever more MP' debate, we've just published a long article about how aspects of physics limit camera design. It's over 12k words, but if you're reading this at work and have to get on with some 'real work', check the conclusions, or download the PDF ;-) BTW If you feel like writing an article, we're always looking for good original content.

12th We've had several comments (thanks) since the other day all saying that video performance was a key part the 60D specs.

Most interesting was a comment as to how Canon's 'video people' have been given more input after the surprise success of the 5D Mk2 in the video area.

7th Better video for the 60D?

On the Red user forum [Red] there was a message asking about video DSLRs.

This interesting response.

"If you are looking at DSLR you should wait. I had a conversation with a Canon rep during the DGA meet last weekend. He advised me to sell my T1i before the second week of September. Apparently there will be a new one coming out with 24p and , possibly, RAW video out from Canon. Priced around $1500. S35 sensor and Eos mount for use with all Canon glass."

Note - an S35 sensor is similar size to the normal Canon crop (x1.6) sensor

How about the 50D successor on the 19th of August, with the 1D3 replacement (new name not 1D Mk IV) for the 17th of September? [POTN]

Add to this a slew of lenses...

2009 August 5th How about an underwater housing already! [B&H]

Probably an old one for a D60 ;-)

2nd It seems that you can already buy screen protectors for the 60D at Amazon. [product link]

Guess it must be arriving soon then :-)

July 31st We're told (thanks) that the 'feature' is being able to configure a button for MLU - well that would cheer up a few and leave the majority wondering why they would bother using it :-)

BTW MLU is Mirror Lock Up

30th We've been sent assorted info for the 60D and 7D [thanks]

60D

No idea what the 'secret feature' is. We've had comments about a fold out LCD and in body IS being tested for some time, but who knows...

As ever, usual rumours caveats apply to stuff we were just sent!

Meanwhile, some quite detailed specs have appeared at CR with

Looks like a more detailed version of what we were sent, with the exception of the dual card slot, which just happened to appear today in the Nikon D300s...

14th In a blurring of the lines, will the 60D be a 7D or vice versa. See poss. 1.3x crop and 'pro x1.6 crop' info on the 7D page

July 7th We've had a comment [thanks] that the 60D will actually remain CF, not a SD card.

June 13th Aug 25th for 60D and 1D4? [CR]

7th We're told (thanks) to expect the 60D and 1D4 announcements in August, although no specs supplied.

At CR there is another spec list for the 60D

May 28th Some suggestions for 60D features [CR]

  • "The 60D will have 720p, 1080p video modes. 30p is already in the firmware and the Mark II hack could be used in this camera easily. Much better CMOS than the 500D improved even from the 5D Mark II."

The MkII reference covers the difficulties of adding 24 fps support in the 5D2.

It will be interesting to see how many of the features suggested to us last year about Canon sensor developments finally do appear in the 60D.

Look on 60D high ISO performance as a strong marker for performance from a 30MP plus 1Ds4 at its highest ISO settings (although potentially with improved pixel binning at the hardware level).

22nd A cashback scheme for the 50D in Japan.

Most likely to move inventory, rather than suggesting that a replacement is close.

May 3rd A flip out display? We've had mentions of this several times in the past, along with the comment that it wouldn't happen until 'the market' warranted it.

We're now told (thanks) that it's slated first for the 2000D and then the 60D. As to when? still suggesting that the 60D is on an 18 month cycle (see Feb. below).

Or is it? An Autumn release for the 60D along with 15.1MP, 1080p video at 30 fps, Updated AF system, 8fps, External microphone input and Digic V is suggested at CR

April 12th Mentioned on an HDR site - 8fps.

More on the 70D page (12.5fps), including the note that anyone can submit an update to the page ;-)

10th A new AF system for the 60D? [CR] The next 1D will certainly have a different AF system (even if not as different as marketing would like ;-) so expect this to feed into AF designs elsewhere in the range.

Elsewhere [DPR], there are suggestions that it may be time for an improved JPEG standard to be available.

March 25th The 500D is announced, and the specs suggest that a 50D makeover (video for instance) could easily be moved up in the schedules. We're told that 500D/50D sales will be the key to this. It's well worth a re-read of some of the info from earlier on this page.

9th At CR there is the suggestion that the 60D (or some other new camera) will appear this autumn. One of our longer lived sources still puts this as only an outside bet at the moment.

February 28th From our main rumours page

The launch timing is 'up for discussion' but internal pressures at Canon are to put it back on an 18 month cycle.

This from the weaker overall demand and reduction in competitive pressure. The design is advanced and allows for a possible August/ September 2009 release but is  90+% likely to be delayed until January / February 2010 (18 month cycle)

22nd How long to wait for the 60D? We've a roundup of various update estimates for different cameras we've been sent on the main camera rumours page. Suggestions for the 60D were that the 50D/60D cycle would move to at least 18mths (making it a 2010 camera).

2009 January 29th At CR it's suggested that the '60D' may be branded as the '7D'

Does have a bit of a 'wish list' feel to it ;-)

...But not dissimilar to what we were told in September. Interestingly, this could signal a move of the 1.6x APS-C sensor into a higher end model. If a 500D is announced beforehand, it will be interesting to see its specs compared to the 50D

2008 December 19th According to CR 50D sales are not going so well (the 40D is a real bargain at the moment) There is the suggestion that the 60D will move to better AF and finally some decent weather sealing.

I note there's not been much on the 60D front since our big update back in September (from before the 5D2 announcement)

October 3rd From a Canon interview [see 7D page]

  • "We're now studying carefully which models will be offered with video functionality. The 50D successor will almost certainly offer this feature."

2008 September 3rd

Another update from some of our 'closer to Canon' sources ;-)

A note to new readers - We've been keeping tabs on (mostly) Canon related rumours for several years and receive all kinds of stuff - some more believable than others. Use your common sense when reading it and remember that it's here for entertainment as much as anything else. If we waited until we were absolutely sure (or even 80% Bob ;-) about a comment or rumour, the pages would be a series of product announcements and not much more. We hope you enjoy it ;-)
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What's next for the 60D (August 2009?)

A current candidate feature set for the 60D (based on a 12 month release schedule) includes:

The 12 month release not absolutely certain yet but is likely, given the expected aggressive Nikon and Sony product cycles.

The 70D would be Digic V and feature a higher MP sensor, more upgrades to image processing algorithms plus whatever whistles and bells development can come up with (inbuilt WiFi, remote control etc.)

Canon feel they can comfortably do a 18MP or even 21MP sensor (53MP FF equiv) for the 60D if needed based on market pressures. Currently, this is not expected for the next update.

Future sensors... 3 or 4 years out.

Even with pixel binning Canon believe there is a point where more MP don’t make sense as they pixels are starting to get small relative to the wavelengths of light etc. creating all sorts of undesirable effects.

They expect to max out in the 50-65MP for a FF camera and a 21 to 25 MP range for crop. The market is likely to push them more to the upper end of the range and their DIGIC planning is on track to deliver the data and image processing rates.

In a few generations of camera, expect a 24-25MP 1.6 crop giving 12MP and 6MP pixel binned images. While the 64/65MP FF at the same pixel density can offer 32, 16 and 8MP pixel binned images as well as dynamic cropping to 1.3 etc.

After this effective ending of the MP race, Canon sees plenty of room for development in improved sensor technology and imagine processing algorithms.

Beyond the 1D... Did I hear EVF?

Canon acknowledges the need to push many more pro-style features into the next range down. This is directly based on Nikon's moves with the D300 and D700.

This has encouraged Canon to begin a ground up re-think of just what else a professional camera needs to differentiate itself (other than rugged build etc.) as 'professional'

There are a number of Canon experimental bodies with separate electronic viewfinders (EVF) using high resolution screens (much higher than the current ones in the new cameras)

These screens are movable to be viewable from the top or back (like medium format). The cameras also support dynamic crop modes, with the electronic viewfinder adjusting accordingly. This includes both 1.3 from FF plus 4:3 and 6:4.5

The bodies are also a significant redesign from the current 1D series form factor.

[Remember that many options get tried in these experimental cameras, before moving to full designs - remember the on again/off again Canon MF development -KC]

Other potential professional series goodies/essentials/needless frippery [fill in your choice ;-) -KC] are, full two way remote control (all major camera functions such as ISO and metering) and built-in WiFi and GPS (built in - integrated). There is still interest in slide in/out mini hard drives (solid state or moving) to give several hundred GB storage.

Feedback from Canon's tame 'professionals' has been generally very positive towards the features ;-)

The market shifts

Canon keeps a eye on the both the growth in the DLSR market share and relative market shares in specific segments.

A key observation that has caught Canon’s attention is the shift over the last 12 months in two key 'pro'/'semi-pro' segments which are relatively fixed in size now (most professional photographers are already on DSLRs)

1 Wedding / Family / Interior Photographers.

The Canon response

The 5D replacement is a very targeted countermeasure aimed at the D700 and inspirational D3 sales. Canon have gone for MP, low ISO, lots of pro features and some additional 'whistle and bells' here to retain and attract the market. [No, surely no MLU button - KC ;-) ]

The 5D replacement is also designed to be an easy step up for current XXD owners, preserving lens investments etc.

The 50D targeted as a low cost D300 competitor

Canon have a second FF coming too to further cover this market.

In terms of lenses the 24-70 F2.8 L IS is ready and work is under way on a 14-24 competitor (with 12-24 and filters being the target)

2 Sports / Press Photographers

The Canon response

Bringing forward the upgrades of the 1D series by a market surprising amount.

Major redesign of the Autofocus system for their next pro series cameras (ongoing)

Design work on a rethink of the whole pro series body and features while still keeping a sports focus and a studio focus in terms of market.

Lenses

Canon have been working on a number of parallel paths for lens design:

Canon have upped their new lens design capability from 2 to 3 a year (this is significant in the amount of resources required) and are looking at 4 as a peak over the next few years.
[Note, I believe this is 'L' lenses - KC]

No surprise with the long awaited 24-70 IS F2.8 (Canon acknowledged that the current one was showing its limitation on the 1Ds III. Though many will be surprised with the new 35L and 24L.)
[Where's my new TS-E24 :-) - KC]

Canon do not currently have many plans for the non L series primes, with most consumers in that market going for zooms or aspiring to a L series zoom. Given the need to do so much with the rest of the lens range over the next 3-4 years, don't hold your breath waiting for a a new 50/1.4 or the like.

August 30th Future technology? As well as the older info (see under the table below) we were sent some updated info from the same sources. The full text is on the 5D2 page however if the 1.6 crop sensor were to be based on the 50MP FF technology, then it would come out round the 19.5MP mark. Look for extensive use of pixel binning to make use of all those MP at high ISO. Of course, if we're on a 1 year cycle now, the 20MP crop sensor might not come until the 70D ;-)

26th The 50D is released - table below updated. Next August for the 60D or was the 50D just moved ahead for competition reasons?

Well... there is a 60D thread at DPR already discussing this ;-)

21st The 40D to 50D update is compared to the 20D/30D update in a post from someone who claims to have used one [DPR] - first mention of a 60D we see :-)

July 8th Is a 40D refresh being moved from the expected 18 month cycle (we'll see it at PMA in 2009) or will new sensor technology make it into the 50D for Photokina [potn]

Whilst I've been sent various info on the new sensor developments, the only line that was slated for potentially moving to annual updates was the bottom end of the DSLR range.

Meanwhile here's the recent history of similar models

Model
Announced
Effective pixels
Auto focus
Continuous (JPEG) LCD monitor
EOS D30 Apr 2000 3.1 mp 3 point 3.0 fps, 3 frames 1.8"
EOS D60 Feb 2002 6.3 mp 3 point 3.3 fps, 8 frames 1.8"
EOS 10D Feb 2003 6.3 mp 7 point 3.3 fps, 9 frames 1.8"
EOS 20D Aug 2004 8.2 mp 9 point 5.0 fps, 23 frames 1.8"
EOS 30D Feb 2006 8.2 mp 9 point 5.0 / 3.0 fps, 30 frames 2.5"
EOS 40D Aug 2007 10.1 mp 9 point 6.5 / 3.0 fps, 85 frames 3.0" (Live view)
EOS 50D Aug 2008 15.1 mp 9 point 6.3 / 3.0 fps, 60/90 frames 3.0" VGA LV

Some recent info (originally on our 1Ds3 page) about Canon's plans over the next few years was sent in August 2007 (shortly before the 40D was actually announced)

  • Sensor technology - Canon have mentioned that full frame sensor chips need two stepper passes. Sony now has the technology to do this in one pass and are preparing their own sensors and selling to them Nikon.  However, Canon have a new 'one pass' technology too. What's more, it can do even larger than 35mm (36x24mm) in a single pass. 
  • Canon is very excited about a next generation CMOS sensors they are working on.  Two full frame versions have 40M and 50M pixels at the -same- noise level as the current 1D series. Low power supply voltages give cooler chips and lower noise even with smaller pixels. Different circuit fabrication techniques also promise to make close to 100% of the sensor area active pixels. This technology won't make any of the upcoming models, but is expected in 2009/10.
  • The competition - Canon were somewhat shocked by the success of the Nikon D80, D40 and D40X. Hence the 'improved' 40D and the improved 400D replacement in the works. Canon know what Nikon have coming (D300 and D3) and have planned the 40D, 1Ds III and 1D III as their answers.
  • However Nikon is moving to CMOS sensors to over the next couple of years.  Sony are moving CMOS to a near full frame (1.25 or so) and full (35mm) FF, so Canon is getting serious and starting to plan some aggressive upgrades.
  • Sony worries Canon somewhat, since with their manufacturing capabilities, they could move the whole price base down for SLRs. So far they haven’t and their lens prices and range are not a worry for Canon. The current Sony Alpha has been less than astounding in the market.
  • Moreover, Nikon have the camera credibility and certainly won’t stop with the D3 and D300. Their plans for the lower end (D40-D80 as well) are to replace them in much shorter timeframes than their previous 3-4 years.  Nikon have moved emphasis from the low end 'point and shoot' digital into R&D on the DLSRs. They've found this to be 3-4 times as profitable (note Nikon's record profits over last 12 months).  Nikon is more than happy with trouncing Canon for the last 12 months in Japan (not so world wide).  So the next 2-3 years will see a major DSLR feature 'war'.
  • IS Technology - This is being introduced in some of their consumer grade lenses. The technology has matured to the point that it can be added at only a small price premium. It gives product differentiation - a reaction to Sony and keeps them ahead of Nikon.
  • Digic IV - Digic III just won't cut it for the new high density sensors. Digic IV can deal with with the transfer rates for higher bit per pixel images. One Digic IV chip beats the two Digic III in the 1D3.
  • 16 bit RAW - Canon's target for their next generation of sensors is 16 bits per channel giving true HD quality.  They are also looking at processing formats to retain that extra definition.
  • ISO sensitivity - Canon see their next generation lower voltage CMOS as easily doing ISO6400, with a boost to 12800.

Brief review of 50D/40D specs for comparison

 
Canon EOS 50D
Canon EOS 40D
Sensor 15.0 million effective pixels 10.1 million effective pixels
Image sizes 4752 x 3168
3456 x 2304
2353 x 1568
3888 x 2592
2816 x 1880
1936 x 1288
RAW files CR2 format, 14-bit
RAW full resolution
sRAW1 (7.1 MP)
sRAW2 (3.8 MP)
CR2 format, 14-bit
RAW full resolution
sRAW (7.1 MP)
Image processor DIGIC 4 DIGIC III
Sensitivity ISO 100 to 3200, extendable to H1 (6400) and H2 (12800). ISO 100 to 1600, extendable to 3200.
Auto ISO ISO 100 to 1600 ISO 100 to 800
Noise reduction Four levels On/Off
Auto lighting optimizer Four levels On/Off
AF adjustment All lenses or up to 20 individual lenses
+/- 20 steps
No
Viewfinder info Now includes Auto Lighting Optimizer icon  
LCD monitor 3.0 " TFT LCD
920,000 dots
3.0 " TFT LCD
230,000 dots
Live view AF Quick mode (Phase detect)
Live view mode (Contrast detect)

Face detect (Contrast detect)
Phase detect

Peripheral illumination
correction

Profiles of 26 lenses includes
space provided for 14 extra profiles
 
User modes Auto
Creative Auto
Program AE (P)
Shutter priority AE (Tv)
Aperture priority AE (Av)
Manual (M)
Auto depth-of-field
Portrait
Landscape
Close-up
Sports
Night portrait
Flash off
Camera user settings 1
Camera user settings 2
Auto
Program AE (P)
Shutter priority AE (Tv)
Aperture priority AE (Av)
Manual (M)
Auto depth-of-field
Portrait
Landscape
Close-up
Sports
Night portrait
Flash off
Camera user settings 1
Camera user settings 2
Camera user settings 3
High-speed continuous 6.3 fps
Up to 60 JPEG Large/Fine images
Up to 90 JPEG Large/Fine images (UDMA)
6.5 fps
Up to 75 JPEG Large/Fine images
Menu UI Digic 4 interface Same as EOS-1D series
Connectors USB 2.0 Hi-Speed
Video out
Mini HDMI connector
N3 type wired remote control
PC Sync flash terminal
Communication terminal on base for WFT-E3/E3A
USB 2.0 Hi-Speed
Video out
N3 type wired remote control
PC Sync flash terminal
Communication terminal on base for WFT-E3/E3A
Menu languages 25 18
Custom functions 25 24
Weight No battery: 730 g (1.6 lb)
With battery: 822 g (1.8 lb) (measured)
No battery: 740 g (1.6 lb)
With battery: 836 g (1.8 lb) (measured)

Brief review of 30D/40D specs for comparison

 
Canon EOS 40D
Canon EOS 30D
Weatherproof Battery door and storage compartment No
Sensor 10.1 million effective pixels
5.7 µm pixel pitch
8.2 million effective pixels
6.4 µm pixel pitch
A/D converter 14-bit 12-bit
Image sizes 3888 x 2592
2816 x 1880
1936 x 1288
3504 x 2336
2544 x 1696
1728 x 1152
RAW files CR2 format, 14-bit
RAW full resolution
sRAW (2.5 MP)
CR2 format, 12-bit
RAW full resolution
Image processor DIGIC III DIGIC II
Dust reduction High speed vibration of filter None
Auto focus 9-point TTL CMOS sensor
Points cross-type for F5.6 or faster lens
Center point additionally sensitive with lenses of F2.8 or faster
9-point TTL CMOS sensor
Metering range 0.0 to 20 EV 1.0 to 20 EV
Spot metering Approx. 3.8% at center Approx. 3.5% at center
Auto ISO ISO 400 to 800 / 100 to 800 depending on exposure mode ISO 100 to 400
White Balance 2500 - 10000 K in 100 K steps 2800 - 10000 K in 100 K steps
Viewfinder 95% frame coverage
Magnification: 0.95x
Eyepoint: 22 mm
95% frame coverage
Magnification: 0.90x
Eyepoint: 20 mm
Focusing screen Interchangable precision matte
Two other screens available
Fixed precision matte
Viewfinder info Now includes ISO sensitivity, B&W icon  
LCD monitor 3.0 " TFT LCD
230,000 pixels
2.5 " TFT LCD
230,000 pixels
LCD Live View Yes, including mirror-drop AF No
Main LCD settings display When changing settings such as AF mode or White Balance No
Tilt correction Yes No
Opening CF door Warning message shown Power down, loses images
Mirror lock-up Single or multiple exposures Single exposures
Mirror mechanism Motor up / down, quieter, faster Spring up / motor down
Playback modes Exposure line at top in single image view No exposure in single image view
User modes Three custom user modes on mode dial No user modes
High-speed continuous 6.5 fps
Up to 75 JPEG Large/Fine images
5.0 fps
Up to 30 JPEG Large/Fine images
Portrait grip WFT-E3/E3A, BP-E2N, BP-E2 BP-E2
Wireless connectivity WFT-E3/E3A Integrates as vertical hand grip WFT-E1/E1A
No grip
Menu UI Same as EOS-1D series Sames previous xxD series
Menu languages 18 15
Custom functions 24 19
AF-ON button Rear 'under thumb' None
Rear buttons Direct print, Menu, Play, Erase, Jump, Info, Picture Style Direct print, Menu, Info, Jump, Play, Erase
Top right buttons Lamp
Metering / WB
AF / Drive
ISO / Flash comp.
Lamp
AF / WB
Drive / ISO
Metering / Flash comp.
Dimensions 146 x 108 x 74 mm(5.7 x 4.2 x 2.9 in) 144 x 106 x 74 mm (5.6 x 4.2 x 2.9 in)
Weight No battery: 740 g (1.6 lb)
With battery: 822 g (1.8 lb)
No battery: 706 g (1.6 lb)
With battery: 785 g (1.7 lb

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