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New Canon cameraEOS 5D Mark 4

Information about Canon's replacement for the EOS 5D Mark 3

At the moment, my earliest guestimate for the 5D4 is a Q3 2015 announcement.

Having collected camera and lens rumours for several years, I'd not been expecting to see any serious rumour information until after the follow-up for the 1D X gets announced (pushing the 5D4 well into 2016). The appearance of the 5Ds has to some extent thrown a bit of a spanner in the works, for the nice simple time sequence.

Despite the clamours of the 'DSLR is dead' crowd, I'm not expecting the 5D4 to have an electronic viewfinder.

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5D Mk4 camera rumours - latest News

2015 May

  • 19th Indications that the 5D4 is out for testing [CR] with select photographers. No actual camera info as yet.
    • With 2016 being an Olympic year, both the Nikon D5 and Canon 1DX mk2 should be available before they start.
      Check the timeline further down the page for how old different models are, and also why a Digic 7 chip looks relatively unlikely for a bit?

April

  • 12th Some low MP specs sent for for the 5D4:
  • 18MP, 100-204,800 ISO, 61 AF (all cross), 12 fps, Dual CFast cards, 4K Video Capture.
    • No dates or any other useful info, so this looks to be the same as at [NC] and heavy on the wishful thinking ;-)
  • 10th A suggestion that the 5D4 will use dual readout technology, similar to the new C300 mk2 to aid video performance. [CR]
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March

  • 14th We're told (thanks) that the 5D mk4 won't be along until later in the year, not until the 5Ds/R is shipping in reasonable numbers. Part of the timing depends on just how well it sells and to whom - 5D3 sales in Europe have been holding up well, which might push the 5D4 back beyond the update of the 1D X.
  • This may or may not fit in with info (thanks) from the far east, that the 5D4 is due in August/September and would come in at 28MP, 9fps and with 4k video. Both the 5D4 and 1D X update would see the launch of a 'significant' advance in Canon's flash control capabilities. This would also include adapters/controllers and firmware updates for recent models to make more use of the functionality.
    • As someone who uses flash rather rarely on my ageing 1Ds3 (I don't really do 'people photography' in our business ;-), I've no idea what areas this could cover?
    • Both rumours are out beyond my normal ~3 month 'reality window', so deserve a suitable scepticism at the moment

February

  • 23rd Is the camera mentioned yesterday the 5D C mentioned earlier this month [5th]
  • 22nd Some specs [CR] that may reflect a 5D style camera out for testing.
    • 18MP Full Frame CMOS
      ISO 100-204,800
      61 AF Points (all cross type)
      12 fps
      Dual CFast cards
      4K Video
      • Watch for this one and variations doing the rounds, gaining in certainty as it moves from site to site ;-)
  • 14th A quick reminder of the Canon timeline - sometimes useful when wondering what's next...
  Sensor  2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015
1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4
Flagship Full       1Ds 1Ds Mk II 1Ds Mk III 1D X      
APS-H     1D 1D Mk II 1D Mk IIn 1D Mk III 1D Mk IV                
Video                             1D C      
High Full                               5Ds/5Dsr
            5D 5D Mk II 5D Mk III      
APS-C                     7D 7D Mk II
'Better'  Full                             6D      
APS-C D30 D60 10D 20D 30D 40D 50D 60D 70D      
Mid APS-C         300D
Rebel
Kiss Digital
350D
Rebel XT
Kiss N
400D
XTi
Kiss X
450D
XSi
X2
500D
T1i
X3
550D
T2i
X4
600D
T3i
X5
650D
T4i
X6i
700D
T5i
X7i
750/760D
T6i/s
X8i
Micro APS-C                           100D SL1 X7      
Entry APS-C                   1000D Rbl XS Kiss F 1100D Rebel T3 X50 1200D T5 X70    
Mirrorless APS-C                             M M2 M3

Note: dates start in announcement quarter, not shipping dates.

Video capable | Digic | Digic 2 | Digic 3 dual | Digic 4 dual | Digic 5 dual | Digic 6 dual

  • 8th If more evidence that the 5Ds is 'not the 5Dmk4 you are looking for' was needed, we're told that its sensor has been specifically tuned for low ISO performance, dropping off markedly at the higher settings. See the 5Ds page for more.
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    5th In a more 'out there' rumour (thanks) we're told that the 'general purpose' 5D4 will come along with 5D C specialist video DSLR. 1D C sales have not been good enough to get the return on development of a new version.
    • I've no idea about this one, since video on DSLRs just has no place in any of my work? Any comment welcome.
  • 1st More 5Ds and 5Ds R details emerge. This isn't the 5D mk4.

January

  • 30th Some possible 5Ds details appear - 50.2MP and two versions (with and without AA filter).
  • With this news, many looking for the next 5D may wonder where the line is going, however we've just been told [thanks] that the 5D mark 4 will be announced in August, where it will feature much improved video and stills performance, and a 'modest' increase in MP.
    • As ever, take a pinch of salt with all rumours for more than a few months away.
  • At [CR] there is some more info about a potential 5D4 that:
    • "...will focus on being a lowlight event and sports type of camera with good enough image quality for pretty much anything else you throw at it. The camera could also be the next Canon DSLR to get 4K video recording, along with new video features."
  • 9th Three versions of a new 5D are suggested [CR] an updated 5D4 and two 5Ds models with and without AA filtering, at ~53MP

2014 December

  • 30th With a rumoured high MP DSLR from Canon (main rumour page) I note that at [CR] they have been told that the camera could be the 5D mk4, which could also fit in with suggestions that the 6D2 will move upmarket.

November

  • 22nd We can close up the rumour pages - the Seer of Seers, Sage of Sages, Prognosticator of Prognosticators and Camera Prophet Extraordinary, the great Krockwell has spoken and the 5D4 will be launched on March 17th 2015
    • Don't rush to check if you see this appearing elsewhere though, it's a boilerplate spacefiller page with ads ;-)
  • 6th In a dealer sourced rumour [thanks], we're again told that the 5D mk4 is due for launch at the start of February (in time for CP+ 12th-15th) along with 'another Canon Pro DSLR' around the same time.
    • I'd note that Canon tends to only launch one major camera at a time, and if there is to be a high end DSLR, such as a 1D X mk2, I'd have thought it would be announced before a 5D4?
    • Perhaps time for the EOS 3D again? (one of our longest running rumours ;-)
    • BTW, that modular Canon camera that was mentioned - we had pics in 2008 - see below

August

  • 17th In Germany it seems that Calumet aren't expecting the 5D4 this year, since with an offer on the mk3 until the end of August, they are guaranteeing to buy back your 5D3 if a 5D4 appears. [Thanks for the pic!]

5d3 buyback guaratee

June

  • 23rd A product advisory is issued in the US for the 5D3, relating to the LCD light leak issue [5D3 page]
  • 21st Both the 5D4 and 1D X mk2 are to be announced January/February of next year, we're told (thanks).
  • The 1D X mk2 will be announced fiirst (potentially later this year), but will ship later.
  • Both will incorporate significant advances in sensor design, which mean that there will be no high MP '3D' class body this year.
    • The info suggested that this was what was being tested in the studios we heard about last month, and that elements of it woud appear in the upcoming 7D mk2, but that the real advance would not be seen until next year.

2014 March

2013 February

  • 15th All we've heard of late is that there won't be a new FF camera shipping in 2013 from Canon

2012 December

  • 22nd The favourite higher spec camera rumours at the moment are for something to compete with the D800 to appear in 2013.

March

  • 21st In what will become a long thread, I note a 5D4 'discussion' on POTN
  • 1st 5d mk3 rumours finally look entirely real:
    • 22.3 Megapixel Full Frame CMOS sensor
    • DiG!C 5+ Image Processor
    • ISO 100-25600 (expandable to L:50 H1:51200, H2: 102400
    • Full HD Movie (ISO 100-12800 (H:25600)
    • 61-point high-density reticular AF (up to 41 crosstype points)
    • 6.0 fps for high continuous shooting
    • Intelligent viewfinder with approx. 100% coverage
    • 3.2-type, ~1.04m dot (3:2 wide) Clear View LCD II
    • iFCL metering with 63-zone dual-layer sensor
    • Shutter durability of 150,000 cycles
    • Silent & low vibration modes
    • Dual card slots (CF & SD)
    • High Dynamic Range (HDR) Mode
    • Multiple Exposures
    • Comparative Playback function
    • Improved durability and water and dust resistance
    • Min Shutter Speed – 30 sec
    • Max Shutter Speed – 1/8000 sec
    • Connectivity – USB 2, HDMI, Mic Input, Wireless (optional)
  • OK, what about some 5D Mk4 specs?
    • 2015 Announcement, 4k video, 30+MP, Digic 7 - will still be a proper DSLR with mirror ;-)

2012 February

  • 21st Still no 5D3, although the 2nd of March seems a popular date for launch guestimates at the moment...

2011 August

  • 19th Still no 1Ds4, so the 5D3 is (IMHO) a 2012 camera - 2012 is a Photokina year and if you look at the timeline below, there are plenty of cameras that could be up for replacement.

new modular camera system

  Sensor  2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015
1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4
Flagship Full       1Ds 1Ds Mk II 1Ds Mk III 1D X      
APS-H     1D 1D Mk II 1D Mk IIn 1D Mk III 1D Mk IV                
Video                             1D C      
High Full                               5Ds/5Dsr
            5D 5D Mk II 5D Mk III      
APS-C                     7D 7D Mk II
'Better'  Full                             6D      
APS-C D30 D60 10D 20D 30D 40D 50D 60D 70D      
Mid APS-C         300D
Rebel
Kiss Digital
350D
Rebel XT
Kiss N
400D
XTi
Kiss X
450D
XSi
X2
500D
T1i
X3
550D
T2i
X4
600D
T3i
X5
650D
T4i
X6i
700D
T5i
X7i
750/760D
T6i/s
X8i
Micro APS-C                           100D SL1 X7      
Entry APS-C                   1000D Rbl XS Kiss F 1100D Rebel T3 X50 1200D T5 X70    
Mirrorless APS-C                             M M2 M3

Note: dates start in announcement quarter, not shipping dates.

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What does the 5D Mk3 replacement have to beat?

5D mk3 specs
Price
MSRP Body only: $3499, €3299, £2999 with 24-105mm: $4299
Body type
Body type Mid-size SLR
Body material Magnesium alloy
Sensor
Max resolution 5760 x 3840
Other resolutions 3840 x 2560, 2880 x 1920, 1920 x 1280, 720 x 480
Image ratio w:h 3:2
Effective pixels 22.3 megapixels
Sensor photo detectors 23.4 megapixels
Sensor size Full frame (36 x 24 mm)
Sensor type CMOS
Processor Digic 5+
Color space sRGB,Adobe RGB
Color filter array RGB Color Filter Array
Image
ISO Auto, 100 - 25600 in 1/3 stops, plus 50, 51200, 102400 as option
White balance presets 6
Custom white balance Yes (1)
Image stabilization No
Uncompressed format RAW
JPEG quality levels Fine, Normal
File format
  • JPEG (Exif 2.3 [Exif Print] compliant)
  • Design rule for Camera File system (2.0)
  • RAW: RAW, sRAW1, sRAW2 (14bit, Canon original RAW 2nd edition)
  • Digital Print Order Format [DPOF] Version 1.1 compliant
Optics & Focus
Autofocus
  • Contrast Detect (sensor)
  • Phase Detect
  • Multi-area
  • Selective single-point
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Face Detection
  • Live View
Autofocus assist lamp by optional dedicated Speedlite
Digital zoom No
Manual focus Yes
Number of focus points 61
Lens mount Canon EF mount
Focal length multiplier
Screen / viewfinder
Articulated LCD Fixed
Screen size 3.2"
Screen dots 1,040,000
Touch screen No
Screen type Clear View II TFT LCD
Live view Yes
Viewfinder type Optical (pentaprism)
Viewfinder coverage 100 %
Viewfinder magnification 0.71×
Photography features
Minimum shutter speed 30 sec
Maximum shutter speed 1/8000 sec
Exposure modes
  • Auto+
  • Program AE
  • Shutter priority AE
  • Aperture priority AE
  • Manual (Stills and Movie)
  • Custom (x3)
Built-in flash No
External flash Yes (Hot-shoe, Wireless plus Sync connector)
Continuous drive Yes (6 fps)
Self-timer Yes (2 or 10 sec)
Metering modes
  • Multi
  • Center-weighted
  • Spot
  • Partial
Exposure compensation ±5 EV (at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
AE Bracketing ±3 (2, 3, 5, 7 frames at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
WB Bracketing Yes (3 frames in either blue/amber or magenta/green axis)
Videography features
Format
  • H.264
Microphone Mono
Speaker Mono
Resolutions 1920 x 1080 (29.97, 25, 23.976 fps fps), 1280 x 720 (59.94, 50 fps), 640 x 480 (25, 30 fps)
Videography notes 1080 and 720 intra or inter frame, 480 inter frame
Storage
Storage types Compact Flash Type I (UDMA compatible), SD/SDHC/SDXC
Storage included None
Connectivity
USB USB 2.0 (480 Mbit/sec)
HDMI Yes (HDMI mini)
Wireless Optional
Remote control Yes (Remote control with N3 type contact, Wireless Controller LC-5, Remote Controller RC-6)
Physical
Environmentally sealed Yes
Battery Battery Pack
Battery description Lithium-Ion LP-E6 rechargeable battery & charger
Battery Life (CIPA) 950
Weight (inc. batteries) 950 g (2.09 lb / 33.51 oz)
Dimensions 152 x 116 x 76 mm (5.98 x 4.57 x 2.99")
Other features
Orientation sensor Yes
Timelapse recording Yes (by cable and PC)
GPS Optional
GPS notes With optional GP-E2 unit

The 5D mk 2 specs

Here are the Old 5D specs for those of you who have forgotten :-)

eos 5d cut away viewThe EOS 5D's full-frame CMOS sensor records 4,368 x 2,912 pixels-that's 12.8 Megapixels, larger than many other companies' top-of-the-line sensors. The same size as a 35mm image on a traditional camera, the sensor operates without a conversion factor. This is perfect for taking advantage of the spectacular optics in Canon's L-series, and will be a joy for wide-angle enthusiasts who can make the most of their wide-angle lenses. This new CMOS sensor, designed in-house by Canon, provides smooth, high-resolution images similar to the EOS-1Ds Mark II but in a more compact body. Two automatic noise reduction features maximize the effectiveness of the EOS 5D's on-chip noise reduction. Noise reduction can be activated when noise is detected or it will simply come into play on any exposure of 1 second or longer.


DIGIC II Image Processor 3.0 fps for up to 60 consecutive JPEG or 17 RAW frames in a burst.
The EOS 5D's new 12.8 Megapixel sensor is driven by the revolutionary DIGIC II Image Processor for unprecedented performance and image quality. Thanks to the DIGIC II Image Processor, the EOS 5D is capable of shooting up to 3 frames-per-second for up to 60 JPEG or 17 RAW images. The information captured by the sensor is processed and assembled into images of exceptional clarity and resolution. Photographers can expect precise, natural colours, spot-on white balance and speed in any number of lighting situations. By handling larger volumes of image data, the DIGIC II Image Processor also contributes to lower power consumption: photographers will discover that they can shoot all day with the EOS 5D without having to change the battery!


eos 5d rear viewAdvanced 9-point AF with 6 additional Supplemental points
In addition to 9 different AF points for locking focus on subjects, even if they are not in the center of the composition, the EOS 5D features 6 Supplemental points around the center AF point which help to ensure an even greater degree of focus accuracy when tracking a moving subject. This feature is significant for sports photographers, as well as anyone who needs to keep focus locked on an unpredictable subject. The Supplemental AF points are not displayed in the viewfinder, and they cannot be manually selected. However, they are used in AI Servo AF mode when the EOS 5D is set for automatic focusing point selection, and also when the center focusing point is selected together with Custom Function 17-1.


New high-speed durable shutter
The EOS 5D boasts a newly developed, high-speed and durable shutter unit that was designed to meet the demanding requirements of a full frame sensor in a relatively compact body. With a top shutter speed of 1/8000 sec. and with a remarkable 100,000-cycle shutter life, it truly is a camera built to professional standards.

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