Information about Canon's replacement for the EOS 5D Mark 3
At the moment, my earliest guestimate for the 5D4 is now a Q3 2016 announcement.
Having collected camera and lens rumours for several years, I'd not been expecting to see any serious rumour information until after 1D X mk is shipping (pushing the 5D4 further into 2016). The appearance of the 5Ds has to some extent thrown a bit of a spanner in the works, for the nice simple time sequence.
Despite the clamours of the 'DSLR is dead' crowd, I'm not expecting the 5D4 to have an electronic viewfinder or any major change in basic design.
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22nd It seems the 5D4 might have a different design of battery grip [CR]
Nothing much new has appeared for a while now, so I'm moving the 5D4 to the August 'slot' and the 6D 2 back to 2017. The March 5D3 shortages seem to have amounted to not a lot, so still no imminent announcement...
4th A few more hints about the 5D4 - 4k video, WiFi, GPS and touchscreen [CR]
So, what to make of this? It doesn't contradict anything I've been told (which is frankly not a lot).
There will by now be quite a market waiting for the 5D4, since by Photokina (20th Sept.) the 5D mk3 will have been round longer than any other Canon DSLR apart from the 7D (not exact but see the timeline below).
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I see some sites still going in for the 'We said this first' contest. That old saying [WP] about monkeys, typewriters and Shakespeare springs to mind... ;-)
2nd The upcoming camera is likely the 5D4 - not 5DX. Still no real sign of an impending announcement, so maybe the August slot for Photokina [CR]
19th The 'not until the 1D X mk2 is shipping' line continues [CR] along with the suggestion that 5D4 video performance will exceed the 1D X 2
4th In info that suggests a 5D4 is on its way, several dealers have suggested [CR] that the delivery times for the 5D3 have stretched in the way that often happens a month or two before an announcement.
I often mention the change in the nature of rumours that takes place when something becomes a bit more 'real'. This is such a thing and I suspect people may well have a 5D4 in their hands by June. If so, then I'm hoping to see some distinctly better quality 5D3 replacement rumours by the end of the month ;-)
3rd A 'there will be a 6D2 instead of a 5D4' rumour seems to be doing the rounds.
When I get sent several links using obfucsated email addresses, you can bet it's probably just made up to stir the pot and generate traffic somewhere ;-)
28th Lots of sites taking bits of rumours and conflating them with 'certainty' about the 5D 4 (or 5D X) - All worthy of the cr1 rating they get at [CR]
Still no signs yet of that distinct change in rumour detail/quality that you get not long before a real announcement.
26th Yes it really is the first 5D4 mention of the year (of note). With a suggestion that there won't be anything until after the 1D X mk2 ships in April/May and that there will be a 4k video model [CR]
In what I consider just hanging on a bit too long, one comment suggested that it would actually appear in what was the August pre-photokina announcement slot. I'm expecting that one as far more likely for something to replace the 6D/100D.
29th Keep an eye out for links to an Italian 'news clickbait' site which seems to have dredged up some of the earlier rumours from this year about a 5D4 and a 5D4c for video
"Canon EOS 5D Mark IV will have a 28mp full frame sensor, 12 fps, Dual Pixel autofocus system AF III, crop mode (or clipping) to 1.3x, to simulate the sensor size of the EOS 1D old series, or 1.6x , to simulate the size of Canon's APS-C sensor, anti-technology flickr; sensitivity from 100 to 204.800iso, 409,600 in extended mode.
Canon EOS 5D Mark IV c: 18MP full frame sensor, very useful for optimizing the performance at high ISO and burst. Dual Pixel III AF autofocus system with 61 points of focus, ISO sensitivity from 100 to 204,800, 4k video. "
If you really must click then turn the sound down first
20th So, there will be a replacement for the 5D mk3... that much the rumours seem agreed on.
However, the timing seems to be fluctuating between dates in September/October and 'not until next year'.
With no August announcement for the 1D X mk2 I'd suggest the 5D4 (or X if you are an avid DPReview forum follower) is becoming more of a 2016 product.
I'd put a side bet on an October announcement and shipping by the start of December in small quantities.
Truth is, I'm afraid I've seen nothing convincing one way or the other for a while.
I'm currently rewriting/reformatting this whole site from scratch (a vast job, hundreds of pages to go...), and had to look at some of the rumour archives covering the last ten years. It seems that rumours were never that reliable (surely not! :-) ), but there is a consistent change in the variety and range of rumour sources once you get to 3-4 weeks out from a product launch.
Canon stuff doesn't often leak out anyway, and in fact, never did that much.
As sales continue to decline, I'm expecting replacement cycles to be waiting more for real advances in technologies.
I'm expecting to still have some rumour pages running when the 5Ds is replaced, but what the state of the DSLR market will be like then is a big unknown.
6th The 5D X stuff is being repeated widely - watch out for non attributed versions being picked up by sites, and subsequently being picked up elsewhere as 'proof' of the original rumours.
All good fun - and a good sign that a lot of people are looking for a 5D mk4.
I'll be writing up more about the 5Ds before long (it gets even better for my work as I get used to it), but I'm minded to suggest that it is -not- the update many 5D3 users are looking for. It's more than 'just' a big sensor in a 5D3, but I'd suspect that the 5D4 (X) will be a lot more generally useful, unless you are into big prints.
5th Another mention of the 5D3 replacement [DPR] still calling it a 5DX and putting an announcement (along with the 1D X mk2) around the US Photoplus show in October.
Nothing else backs this up at the moment, so keep the usual big pinch of salt ready.
17th The 5D4 has been referred to as a 5D X a few times of late - this seems to come from a DPreview forum post some time ago.
If you follow rumours for any time, you' may see the same things popping up in cycles. Sometimes it's the same rumour, recycled. It takes a week or two's gap and an unnattributed mention and it starts up again ;-)
Interesting to see the 5D X name though...
12th A report (thanks) of 5D4 testing, where there is still a mix between 18 and 24MP. 24MP is the likely final outcome, with the lower MP sensor testing AF speed and buffer management issues (less than 8FPS is the likely shooting speed)
If this is so, then it suggest that the 5D4 launch is still some way off?
13th There has been little talk of the 5D4 of late, so take the latest [CR] with suitable care.
5D Mark IV after EOS-1D X Mark II
Q1 2016 shiping
New Flash system for 1D X II and 5D4
Sensors - 18MP to 28MP options
5DS / EOS 5DS R model split might apply to 5D4
New DIGIC processor
So what's been mentioned in the past?
18MP - April and Feb | 4k, 28MP, post 1Dx2 and flash system - March
All good stuff, but nothing that wouldn't make up many a 'wishlist' I've been sent.
19th Indications that the 5D4 is out for testing [CR] with select photographers. No actual camera info as yet.
With 2016 being an Olympic year, both the Nikon D5 and Canon 1DX mk2 should be available before they start.
Check the timeline further down the page for how old different models are, and also why a Digic 7 chip looks relatively unlikely for a bit?
12th Some low MP specs sent for for the 5D4:
18MP, 100-204,800 ISO, 61 AF (all cross), 12 fps, Dual CFast cards, 4K Video Capture.
No dates or any other useful info, so this looks to be the same as at [NC] and heavy on the wishful thinking ;-)
10th A suggestion that the 5D4 will use dual readout technology, similar to the new C300 mk2 to aid video performance. [CR]
14th We're told (thanks) that the 5D mk4 won't be along until later in the year, not until the 5Ds/R is shipping in reasonable numbers. Part of the timing depends on just how well it sells and to whom - 5D3 sales in Europe have been holding up well, which might push the 5D4 back beyond the update of the 1D X.
This may or may not fit in with info (thanks) from the far east, that the 5D4 is due in August/September and would come in at 28MP, 9fps and with 4k video. Both the 5D4 and 1D X update would see the launch of a 'significant' advance in Canon's flash control capabilities. This would also include adapters/controllers and firmware updates for recent models to make more use of the functionality.
As someone who uses flash rather rarely on my ageing 1Ds3 (I don't really do 'people photography' in our business ;-), I've no idea what areas this could cover?
Both rumours are out beyond my normal ~3 month 'reality window', so deserve a suitable scepticism at the moment
23rd Is the camera mentioned yesterday the 5D C mentioned earlier this month [5th]
22nd Some specs [CR] that may reflect a 5D style camera out for testing.
18MP Full Frame CMOS
61 AF Points (all cross type)
Dual CFast cards
Watch for this one and variations doing the rounds, gaining in certainty as it moves from site to site ;-)
14th A quick reminder of the Canon timeline - sometimes useful when wondering what's next... [moved up the page in November]
8th If more evidence that the 5Ds is 'not the 5Dmk4 you are looking for' was needed, we're told that its sensor has been specifically tuned for low ISO performance, dropping off markedly at the higher settings. See the 5Ds page for more.
5th In a more 'out there' rumour (thanks) we're told that the 'general purpose' 5D4 will come along with 5D C specialist video DSLR. 1D C sales have not been good enough to get the return on development of a new version.
I've no idea about this one, since video on DSLRs just has no place in any of my work? Any comment welcome.
30th Some possible 5Ds details appear - 50.2MP and two versions (with and without AA filter).
With this news, many looking for the next 5D may wonder where the line is going, however we've just been told [thanks] that the 5D mark 4 will be announced in August, where it will feature much improved video and stills performance, and a 'modest' increase in MP.
As ever, take a pinch of salt with all rumours for more than a few months away.
At [CR] there is some more info about a potential 5D4 that:
"...will focus on being a lowlight event and sports type of camera with good enough image quality for pretty much anything else you throw at it. The camera could also be the next Canon DSLR to get 4K video recording, along with new video features."
9th Three versions of a new 5D are suggested [CR] an updated 5D4 and two 5Ds models with and without AA filtering, at ~53MP
30th With a rumoured high MP DSLR from Canon (main rumour page) I note that at [CR] they have been told that the camera could be the 5D mk4, which could also fit in with suggestions that the 6D2 will move upmarket.
22nd We can close up the rumour pages - the Seer of Seers, Sage of Sages, Prognosticator of Prognosticators and Camera Prophet Extraordinary, the great Krockwell has spoken and the 5D4 will be launched on March 17th 2015
Don't rush to check if you see this appearing elsewhere though, it's a boilerplate spacefiller page with ads ;-)
6th In a dealer sourced rumour [thanks], we're again told that the 5D mk4 is due for launch at the start of February (in time for CP+ 12th-15th) along with 'another Canon Pro DSLR' around the same time.
I'd note that Canon tends to only launch one major camera at a time, and if there is to be a high end DSLR, such as a 1D X mk2, I'd have thought it would be announced before a 5D4?
Perhaps time for the EOS 3D again? (one of our longest running rumours ;-)
BTW, that modular Canon camera that was mentioned - we had pics in 2008 - see below
17th In Germany it seems that Calumet aren't expecting the 5D4 this year, since with an offer on the mk3 until the end of August, they are guaranteeing to buy back your 5D3 if a 5D4 appears. [Thanks for the pic!]
23rd A product advisory is issued in the US for the 5D3, relating to the LCD light leak issue [5D3 page]
21st Both the 5D4 and 1D X mk2 are to be announced January/February of next year, we're told (thanks).
The 1D X mk2 will be announced fiirst (potentially later this year), but will ship later.
Both will incorporate significant advances in sensor design, which mean that there will be no high MP '3D' class body this year.
The info suggested that this was what was being tested in the studios we heard about last month, and that elements of it woud appear in the upcoming 7D mk2, but that the real advance would not be seen until next year.
Live view with three mode auto-focus (including face detection)
No mirror-flip for exposures in Live View if contrast detect AF selected
Movie recording in live view (1080p H.264 up to 12 minutes, VGA H.264 up to 24 mins per clip)
Two mode silent shooting (in live view)
New jump options in play mode
HDMI and standard composite (AV) video out
Full audio support: built-in mic and speaker, mic-in socket, audio-out over AV (although not HDMI)
IrPort (supports IR remote shutter release using optional RC1 / RC5 controllers)
UDMA CompactFlash support
New 1800 mAh battery with improved battery information / logging
New optional WFT-E4 WiFi / LAN / USB vertical grip
Water resistance: 10 mm rain in 3 minutes
Here are the Old 5D specs for those of you who have forgotten :-)
The EOS 5D's full-frame CMOS sensor records 4,368 x 2,912 pixels-that's 12.8 Megapixels, larger than many other companies' top-of-the-line sensors. The same size as a 35mm image on a traditional camera, the sensor operates without a conversion factor. This is perfect for taking advantage of the spectacular optics in Canon's L-series, and will be a joy for wide-angle enthusiasts who can make the most of their wide-angle lenses. This new CMOS sensor, designed in-house by Canon, provides smooth, high-resolution images similar to the EOS-1Ds Mark II but in a more compact body. Two automatic noise reduction features maximize the effectiveness of the EOS 5D's on-chip noise reduction. Noise reduction can be activated when noise is detected or it will simply come into play on any exposure of 1 second or longer.
DIGIC II Image Processor 3.0 fps for up to 60 consecutive JPEG or 17 RAW frames in a burst.
The EOS 5D's new 12.8 Megapixel sensor is driven by the revolutionary DIGIC II Image Processor for unprecedented performance and image quality. Thanks to the DIGIC II Image Processor, the EOS 5D is capable of shooting up to 3 frames-per-second for up to 60 JPEG or 17 RAW images. The information captured by the sensor is processed and assembled into images of exceptional clarity and resolution. Photographers can expect precise, natural colours, spot-on white balance and speed in any number of lighting situations. By handling larger volumes of image data, the DIGIC II Image Processor also contributes to lower power consumption: photographers will discover that they can shoot all day with the EOS 5D without having to change the battery!
Advanced 9-point AF with 6 additional Supplemental points
In addition to 9 different AF points for locking focus on subjects, even if they are not in the center of the composition, the EOS 5D features 6 Supplemental points around the center AF point which help to ensure an even greater degree of focus accuracy when tracking a moving subject. This feature is significant for sports photographers, as well as anyone who needs to keep focus locked on an unpredictable subject. The Supplemental AF points are not displayed in the viewfinder, and they cannot be manually selected. However, they are used in AI Servo AF mode when the EOS 5D is set for automatic focusing point selection, and also when the center focusing point is selected together with Custom Function 17-1.
New high-speed durable shutter
The EOS 5D boasts a newly developed, high-speed and durable shutter unit that was designed to meet the demanding requirements of a full frame sensor in a relatively compact body. With a top shutter speed of 1/8000 sec. and with a remarkable 100,000-cycle shutter life, it truly is a camera built to professional standards.
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