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November 30th Only 14MP for the 5D2? A DPR post suggests this "full frame 1.0X 14.2 million pixes TTL-AREA-SIR with 45-point CMOS sensor(7 points cross-type) 6.5 fps max 70 JPEG, 19 RAW ISO 100-1600,H,SH 1/8000S 14bit live view"
While most guestimates scale up the 1D3 sensor to 16MP, 14 would allow bigger pixels, and with the improved fill ratio now found in Canon sensors, the ISO6400 SH option would give pretty good noise performance.
29th In AP magazine (1st Dec 07) in the UK someone asked if they should wait for a 5D2? [from POTN]
This was the response from the magazine editor:
'Just a couple of weeks ago Vic Soloman from Canon UK's Product Intelligence division told me there is no reason to update the EOS 5D at the moment, as there is no competition for it. Sounds a bit fishy, but that's from the horse's mouth.
Meanwhile, a 1Ds3 arrived here this afternoon :-)
26th 5D prices keep slipping, including kits with the 24-105 L
One recent report we were sent suggested that the 5D2 would be available in March/April 2008, although whether it would be announced at PMA (end January) was not sure.
If I had to make a current 'best guess' as to specs... (based on all the different info we've been sent in the last couple of months)
22nd Oops, did we really say 5D Mark II? It seems that Canon in Denmark are informing people that the 5D Mk2 on the Phase One site was a typo...
I'm told (thanks) that in Korea there is now a 'double' rebate scheme announced for the 5D by LG. About US$100 when purchasing the camera between the period 20 Nov 07 - 31 Jan 08. Along with an additional US$100 rebate when purchasing any accessories (lenses etc) between the period 20 Nov 07 - 31 May 08. Details (in Korean)
18th Is there 5D Mk2 support in the Capture One application? A comment on FM from a beta tester (B4) for the application spotted the camera name in a menu.
I've been told that the 5D Mark II field is on a menu on the C1 web site for supplying feedback and there is a screen shot in the FM thread mentioned above.
Of course this could be nothing at all, but I'm sure C1 have now had a lot more people download trial versions of their software ;-) :-)
17th It seems that (at last) Nikon isn't even going to charge for their Capture NX software (info at DPR)
"Nikon UK is pleased to announce that for the first time its new professional Digital SLR cameras, the D3 and D300, will be accompanied by Capture NX, Nikon’s award winning software package."
This was always an aspect of Nikon marketing I could never fathom... It's also good to see camera manufacturers putting a bit more effort into the software they supply, although many examples are still pretty poor.
16th FYI some Nikon D3 sample images at RG
12th The 1Ds3 manual is now available in PDF form from various place (1Ds3 page)
9th In the UK, I'm told that Jacobs currently have the 5D + 24-105 f/4L for £1800 (there's £170 cashback as well)
Lots of small price reductions on the 5D ($2100 on Adorama in the US for example) coupled with various rebates make a 5D2 (or whatever) announcement in January look quite likely (waiting until photokina in the Autumn would make the 5D very long in the tooth)
PMA (exhibitor list) runs from Jan 31st to Feb 2nd, while there is also the CES show in Vegas that starts on the 7th January. PMA would be most peoples' expected venue for showing what follows the 5D, but I wouldn't rule out CES for a replacement for the 400D/Xti or even the 5D2 (if Canon is happy to announce the 40D and 1Ds3 at the same time then why not the 5D2 and 450D?)
1st Canon announce affected serial numbers for 1D Mk3 cameras, along with an apology
"We offer our most sincere apologies to all who have been inconvenienced by this issue."
2007 October 31st Several Canon software updates are available for download
DPP3.2 is available and includes:
You need to update the utility as well to work with 3.2
30th If you are a Mac user (like me) then be careful upgrading to Leopard (10.5) with any machine you want to use with Canon RemoteCapture. Canon UK have acknowledged there is a problem with the software. There are reports of problems, but equally several people are saying that the latest version works fine... probably best to try out well before you need your laptop and camera to work together (DPR thread)
28th Maybe not in the UK, but I was told (thanks) of another 100 euros knocked of the price in Germany (Austrian price comparison site) If you wanted a refurbished 5D then I noted a comment that in the US, Adorama had refurbs for $1799 and 'genuine' ebay refurbs were about $1650
27th Canon is supposedly pulling all 1D3 stock from dealers (letter from Canon UK on 1D3 page)
And now a whole week without a decent 5D price reduction here in the UK!
20th In the UK, I'm told that Warehouse Express have dropped the price of the 5D with rebate from £1300 to £1200 (kit prices unchanged)
The 'real' US rebates have now appeared - for lenses only. These ones are 'instant' -ie a fancy name for a price reduction - They run until January 13th 2008
17th Possible signs of a hardware fix for 1D3 AF issues (1D3 page)
After Canon coming out with the promise (sorry, but a press release with some outline specs, no price and 'real soon now' attitude doesn't quite make it a product launch in my book ;-) to show some big lenses at the upcoming show in New York, Olympus have finally come up with the E3.
In the US it seems that you can get a $500 rebate on a 5D -if- you buy a Canon 9000/9500 printer as well. Offer runs until January 12th (rebate form (PDF) at Adorama)... form an orderly line and don't all rush at once ;-)
12th The current favourite launch for the 5D2 is PMA next year (exhibitor list) it runs from Jan 31st to Feb 2nd, so expect the more solid rumours appearing early in the New Year.
Meanwhile Nikon is hinting that the FF sensor of the D3 will be coming to a cheaper camera. A marketing person came out with this: "I think you'll see other FX products. It's a sensor size we're committed to"
9th An email from Calumet confirmed the UK rebates (listed below), running until the end of December. It's £135 on a 5D, although the online claim form mentions Euros (FYI we still have Pounds in the UK! :-)
6th A good UK 'weekend' offer from Jacobs puts the 5D (with rebates) at £1066 if purchased with the 24-105 f/4L IS
See this DPR thread for all the details (thanks). Runs until Mon 8th Oct.
I'm also told that "rebates announced in Canada do include other EOS bodies as qualifiers for the double rebate but only the 5D has a rebate on its own."
The Canadian rebate info is available as a PDF
5th Lots of people wondering where the 'traditional' US Canon rebates are?
Even so, prices continue to fall in the US (~$2300 from Costco)
3rd Good to see them running with the UPC code thing at CNET - this particular 'rumour' was a brief craze before the 40D came out, this time it's for a 7D :-)
Anyone can add a new code to the database, its not offical... (see early Aug in the 40D rumour archive)
30th September No word of a 5D rebate scheme (here ;-) in the US yet, but over on FM there is mention of a local store droping prices ($2300). Meanwhile Canadians got a rebate scheme -- a double rebate on the 5D, which is the only SLR being rebated.
Of course there are lots of ways that the final price ends up changing, but there is a definite downwards 5D pricing movement. The arrival of Nikon kit will have as much to do for this as any 5D2 announcement (It was mentioned to me again that a November announcement had still not been ruled out?)
28th It seems that 7dayshop in the UK were a bit quick off the mark with the rebate announcement for the UK
As ever, expect a few dealers to up their prices so as to restore their own margins ;-)
26th Still no news on whether the 5D2 will get announced this year or info on the US version of any rebate schemes - last year there was a double discount in the US on the 5D, so with all that, a sub $2000 deal looks quite likely (and not just from those dodgy NY based 'stores' either ;-)
I'm off to the US (Seattle) for a couple of weeks tomorrow, but I'll try and keep the rumours updated if anything interesting turns up.
September 23rd Canon dealers in Europe have been sent details of a cashback offer on the 5D (PDF file)
Starts 1st October and runs to the end of December, so it looks as if the 5D2 is next year?
Note prices in Euros - no UK info as yet
And with lenses
I see that Bob Atkins goes for a later (possibly Photokina) release for the 5D2 and also picks EOS 4D and EOS 6D as possible names. I still think an earlier announcement might be used to spike some Nikon guns (Canon Marketing want to return the compliment after the D3/300 announcement)
We had a few additional comments from our sources after our last update:
The entry level is growing faster and Canon is looking to move to a 12 month product cycle for the entry DSLR models (450D) as they are already for the compact (P&S) range. The 470D (name not decided) is now an early 2009 model.
It is considered important to continue to maintain the 20 year investment in the EOS family to provide an upgrade path and backward compatibility for the foreseeable future.
In more details on why the Canon MF project is on hold we were told that:
'Many studios that used to have several MF film bodies have cut down and may only have one in regular use with a digital back, or just get out the film body for special shoots
I'll be curious to see when Canon actually use their own gear for their own product shots. File metadata has shown Phase One still in use, although metadata can be easily changed ;-)
Two more views of 'others' were added to what we'd been sent on Sony/Nikon (i.e. read these as an addendum to Monday's item (17th))
Have a loyal following but not growing in line with the market growth
They are seen by Canon as providing some innovative features but lacking the professional credibility that they and Nikon have.
The takeover by Hoya is expected to help with the cash to keep developing products
Canon feel that Pentax do not have the economies of scale required in the DSLR market and will continue to be increasingly dependent on suppliers like Sony for key parts like sensors.
They are seen as similar to Pentax in size and capability restriction
They've been carving out a niche in the compact DSLR space, matching the compact SLRs that they pioneered in the 35mm film era [and yes I still want a digital OM2/4 ;-) ]
17th We had quite a lot of correspondence over the last few days, and interestingly much of it from different sources matched up. As such there are updates to just about every one of the rumours pages - see the rumours index for details. A very big thanks to all the sources!
First the 5D2...
As mentioned before, the 5D2 feature set is decided upon.
The 5D Mark II name is not yet finalised but likely
It could be launched as soon as November 2007 to 'take the edge off' D300 availability – otherwise it will be January 2008 for PMA.
It's best thought of as a '1Ds III lite' (in the same way as the 40D is a '1D III lite')
Note - this suggest to me that although Canon have a solution for using EF-S lenses on a FF body, we probably won't see it with the 5D2
The DSLR market
The whole DSLR market has exploded over the last 2 years:
39% growth in 2006 to ~5.3 million cameras worldwide of which Canon sold ~2.5 million, Nikon ~1.75 million and Sony in third place with ~0.33 million, outselling Olympus and Pentax.
The 30%+ growth in the DSLR market is continuing so far for 2007 and similarly strong growth is expected for the next 5 years.
In contrast to this, the compact camera market grew 14 percent from ~88 million to ~100 million.
Canon remained No. 1 with 22 percent growth to 17 million units shipped in 2006. However, and this is a key to changes in the way Canon is looking at its DSLR marketing, Canon's total DSLR volume is growing but not as fast as the market, with Nikon and Sony taking the extra share.
There is a feeling that the DSLR market is moving towards the 'feature wars' in the entry level consumer end that now exists in the 'Point & Shoot' (P&S) market.
Many P&S features are expected to 'trickle up' and into the entry level DSLR market (live view is the first, but also movies, face recognition etc.)
High end professional features are trickling down into the Enthusiast and Semi-professional range (e.g. Canon 40D from 1D III and Nikon D300 from D3)
Canon see four broad areas that they would focus on for the DSLR market:
Personal note- A wry smile crossed my face when I saw that Canon put Wedding Photography into the semi-pro market (it's an area I choose not to participate in ;-) :-) Note though, that Canon in the US has always marketed the 5D to the 'pro' market - here in the UK having one counts towards CPS membership
This position is seen by some within Canon as an evolution of their previous 3 tier model into a 4 tier model (1D series at the top).
Some indicators of this are:
Canon have had to accept that the world of DSLRs was changing faster, and that some of their previous approaches to product development may have to change with it.
Since Nikon is still seen as the main competitor, the line up was seen as:
Generally Canon have aimed to price a little higher with more features so they are seen as better value. This has evolved over time as Nikon have added features and specifications while reducing their prices. The Canon price/performance strategy is now acknowledged to have caused some confusion (for example, people comparing the 40D to the D300)
DIGIC IV uses less power, and is faster than the dual DIGIC 3 found in the 1D3 and 1Ds3. In particular it can support 16bit raw and the larger 40-50MP sensors under development. With the larger sensors, it also supports pixel-binning where pixels are aggregated to deliver low noise and higher ISO performance at lower resolutions.
Canon is working on a new generation CMOS sensor – lower voltage, full 100% cover micro-lenses and better dynamic range allowing 16 bit per channel raw files.
These will support a clean 6400 ISO similar to today's 1600 and go to 25600 with acceptable noise.
Target for this is the next generation of the 1D series cameras in 2010, before spreading to other models. These are being trialled at 50MP in FF format
Canon is very excited about these sensors – seeing them as being as big a step up in performance as their move from CCD to CMOS a decade ago.
What to do with those 50MP images... Canon is considering built in hard drives (moving or solid state) in the 80-100GB range in future generations of cameras – mostly likely in a optional grip.
Canon have working MPEG DIGIC III code for their P&S range
This was tried in some of the test cameras sent out during 1D Mk3 trials. It's expected that this will appear in the entry level camera (xxxD range) next year
Canon is seeing this as an important feature in the 1D Mk IV range in 2010 (it would be HD video)
The Mythical 3D
Canon still believe that a greater proportion of the market will move to be full frame as the cost of the sensors come down.
They have on-again / off-again plans to split the 5D and have a lower and higher end full frame model.
The higher end would be weather sealed, and have pro-level AF and exposure
The lower end would have a flash and be like a 40D but with full frame
This is being complicated by the emerging push to bring high end features into the mid range anyway (as per the Nikon D300.
However so far, Canon is still seriously considering the split.
In body IS
Canon is looking at in-body IS for the entry level range DSLRs.
They have worked out how to integrate it with the lens IS so that the in-body IS turns off if a lens with IS is attached and the lens IS is active.
There is no definite decision about its appearance - however it could be added to the 2nd generation 400D replacement (the 450D is already pencilled in for Jan. 2008)
Technologically, this could also be added to any other DSLR. However at the moment, Canon's engineers are opposed, believing that all those moving parts around the sensor is not good on a high end camera.
Faster Lens Upgrades
Lens design is very specialised, with Canon typically only being able to develop 3 or 4 new or upgraded lenses a year
Canon has several programmes of upgrades it wants to pursue:
Personal request - can I have a new sharp TS-E wide angle please? :-)
Canon is looking at ways to expand its capabilities here using new design software and expanding the engineering teams in this area.
Many of the L series lenses (especially the primes) sell in relatively tiny quantities – often just a couple of thousand or less in a year. This makes the return on investment pretty limited. Canon actually makes these in single production runs where they make a year's supply in one go.
Nikon is currently Canon's most serious competitor in the DSLR market. They have doubled their market share in most markets over the last 2 years, although Canon's actual DSLR volumes are still growing.
Some Canon thoughts on Nikon:
The D3 is seen as a very clever camera.
Some of the features that cause discussion/debate/concern include:
Seen as a very strong brand in the consumer's mind and a vigorous competitor to Canon in the P&S and video camera markets.
The initial Alpha 100 was seen [by Canon] more as an experiment by Sony
The new range of 3 units will include a FF DSLR
Lenses from Carl Zeiss are felt to provide a good high end heritage, while Minolta provides more the consumer end.
With only a single model, Sony have already outsold Pentax and Olympus (though sales have been patchy)
Future Sony paths
Sony are known to be pursuing several fronts over the next 2-3 years:
Sony will have 3 new DLSR models over the next 12 months and are also expanding their range of lenses.
2007 September 16th What can be done with those nice new Nikon FX (aka FF ;-) sensors? Well how about a 'no limits SLR' and a $3k 'rangefinder' camera? Have a look at this DPR post for lots of specs... With things like an option for an ISO 51200 6MP sensor, it's quite a collection of 'features' to put together. There's even the suggestion that the 3k one will also come out under the the Contax brand via Sony... ho hum... ;-)
15th There are lot's more discussions about the 3D appearing now, while we are waiting for the '5Dmk2'. Unfortunately there's not one that I've found, that doesn't look like a "what I'd want/like/demand in a smaller CHEAPER 1 series camera" post :-)
For 5D price falls in Europe have a look at this DPR thread which has lots of
12th The ongoing dpr thread is well worth reading for various interpretations, and has a refreshingly high signal to noise ratio, given some of the drivel posted since the 40D/1Ds3 announcement ;-) :-)
11th See the updated comment on the DPR thread for a slightly different take on how to extract English meaning from the printed Japanese in the DCWatch interview...
On DPR there is a thread with a (human) translation/interpretation of part of it which reads...
The re-itteration of the 5D as 'non-pro' should stir the embers of the 3D rumours, which have been doing the rounds for many years now ;-)
9th I'm told (thanks) that the 5D in HK is down to HK$16500, and you can expect to knock another 1k off that with some good bargaining (see also item on 6th)
8th Lower prices for the 5D? - I was sent (thanks) info on a 5D purchased in Germany for €1699 (about £1180) at Media Markt. If you are looking for one, I'd expect similar drops elsewhere before long.
Read the patent for the full blurb...
"An imaging-device cleaning apparatus is attached to a camera by engaging with a lens mount of the camera typically used for attaching a camera lens. The imaging-device cleaning apparatus includes a nozzle for removing dust and dirt in the vicinity of an imaging section of the camera, and a motor and a fan for supplying air to the nozzle to remove the dust and dirt from the vicinity of an image sensor of the camera."
6th Canon HK has just dropped the 5D price again (RRP from HK$20,800 to HK$18,800 a drop of about US$250.)
What a surprise - the official announcement comes and it -is- a 700D from Sony :-) The the specs are as listed below - more details (but no sample images yet) at DPR. However there are some sample images showing noise levelsat CL.
5th The new camera from Sony is the A700 - or so lots of Sony sites 'accidentally' had up for a while.
The specs were also briefly available (from various sightings)
Some have suggested an official 'leak' policy - surely not :-) :-)
There were also 3 lenses listed on the Romanian Sony site (this from an active DPR thread)
Try this .cz link for a flash animation (might not last...)
4th The new camera from Olympus (probably the E3), widely expected after the leaked PDF sales document (June 29th in our archive of 40D rumours) is to be announced on the 17th of October
2nd For some sample Nikon D3 26500 ISO images see DPR 1st Although we keep getting reports of low stock levels of the 5D, there are still quite a few about (as you'd expect right up to the time the replacement is actually on the shelves). The Swiss price comparison page Toppreise still shows plenty of suppliers with the camera.
August 31st A dealer in Munich (one of the few with the 5D still in stock) says they expect the 5D replacement to be 'on the market' by November.
30th The Sony A100 is being marked as 'discontinued' in some stores (or at least in short supply) - Expectations are for an announcement (A300) next week (Thursday 6th), but not for the top of the range 'Flagship' model
We've also got some comments from some 1Ds3 testers on the 1Ds3 page
29th An Australian (Perth) camera store is telling customers (thanks ;-) that they have 'reduced their stocks' of the 5D since they are expecting a replacement soon. $A3,300.00 for the 5D including battery grip. Last month their price on the 5D body only was $A3500.00 or $A3600.00
Prices for the 5D in Finland are also down. Price (thanks) from 'Telefoto' is 2395 from 2600 since the 40D and 1Ds3 were announced
28th I'm told that at a Jessops store in the UK yesterday someone was told that the 5D was 'discontinued'. Seems they still sell it (kit only) but are not ordering any more. Seems a little early for a new year 5D2 release, but then again I wasn't expecting the 40D and 1Ds3 at the same time either ;-)
24th The Elan 7NE keeps popping up on discussion boards as Nikon's announcements yesterday cause an amusing increase in 'sky falling in' posts.
It's a version of the 7S that was pictured on this page (23rd Feb) However if you visit the Canon link above you'll see two slightly misplaced graphics, that might siggest the 7NE is available with a 10.1 or 21.1 MP sensor :-) The specs also mention the Eye control, which is also a regular of feature wish lists. Not having ever used it I don't know how well it worked - the fact that Canon have completely ignored the technology in their digital cameras, suggests that its development still has some way to go?...
Also, before people get too carried away with the marketing speak in press releases, note that the new displays on the D3 and D300 are VGA displays - that's 307k pixels, each of which is made of three sub-pixels (or 'dots' in PR speak) That's still well up on the 230k pixels of the latest Canon displays, but not quite the 900k that is getting widely reported. The 900k figure has done its job and created a perception of a giant lead :-) Whether the same remains to be said of 25600 ISO remains to be seen :-)
In a related story I'm told that the 40D was (sight unseen) number two on the Amazon.com (electronics) sales list, and that now the new Nikon stuff (also unseen!) has knocked it down to number 13 -- guess there was a lot of pent up demand (or something like that ;-)
23rd The D3 and D300 have certainly reignited the 5DMk2 discussions :-) I've even noticed people mentioning the fabled 3D again (it's been rumoured for years :-). It would be highly unlikely that Canon didn't know what Nikon (and Sony) were up to, and must have factored all of this into their calculations.
The last minute leaks were spot on ;-) A D300 and D3 Rather than repeat all the specs here (on the 5D page :-) I've collected info on the new Full Frame D3 on a new Nikon D3 page and a D300 page as well ( D300 Nikon PR and D3 Nikon PR)
22nd While waiting for what's new from Nikon, we were amused by this link sent annonymously to us :-)
The rumours heat up and it's a D3 at full frame, with auto cropping for DX lenses, not to mention the 5 new lenses and D300... An Australian site already lists the "Nikon D3Xs Camera (Anticipated price) (Ref No: n-D3xs) AUD Inc. Tax: $6998.99 AUD Ex. Tax: $6362.72 Export: USD 5090.18"
From a Japanese site the other day there were these specs
D3 and D300 share the same AF system. 51 AF points. 15 of them are cross sensor. Supports live view mode. Will switch to contrast based AF in live view mode.
Five new lenses: AF-S 14-24/2.8 G, AF-S 24-70/2.8 G, AF-S VR 400/2.8 G, AF-S VR 500/4 G, AF-S VR 600/4 G
Meanwhile PopSci had a blog about the cameras up for a short time. It was puled but various people have got parts of it
I've not seen the full info but it was said to be:
25600 ISO ? :-)
20th While the 1Ds3 and 40D may have got the news today (pushing the 5D2 back to early 2008 IMHO) there are more announcements from other manufacturers due this week...
Meanwhile Sony announce a 12.47 megapixel APS-C sensor captures 10.4 fps (EG) ...only point the writer misses, is that it's the data processing engine and camera mechanics that can limit frame rate at various target price points for a camera - there's a better take on this news at DPR. Is this what we will see in the follow up to the A100?
19th According to some interesting info we were sent (thanks), the next all new FF camera will support a crop mode for EF-S lenses:
The mechanical difficulties of modifying the mirror system to allow EF-S lenses are not inconsiderable, but this might be seen as part of Canon's long term move to get bigger sensors into more cameras? While I personally wonder at the utility of a 6-7MP 'crop', who knows what fits in Canon's long term marketing aims? :-)
18th According to a lengthy email we were sent, the replacement for the 5D is now 'feature complete' and slated for early next year. 16MP and 14 bit -- More info on the 1DsMk3 page.
14th There's still some discussion on just what Canon will introduce next week. The 40D looks a given, but who knows when the 5D and 1Ds2 will get replaced? At least in Calgary, it seems that some dealers have been "discouraged from ordering large numbers of 1Ds-II, 5D, and 30D cameras - or from basing their advertising on these machines." (DPR) and "Canon is NOW suggesting to the varous stores that it might be unwise to anticipate major purchases of, or advertising for, the 30D, 5D, and the 1Ds-II."
11th A 7D? One of the web sites that a lot of people discovered following the 40D info from Best Buy (a US store) recently, was a UPC (barcode) database.
It just so happens that anyone can enter items into this page, so without any other evidence, I'm less than convinced when I see an EOS 7D appear...
10th A 16MP 5D2 in the Autumn rumour at POTN (via Vistek in Toronto), which if true, would make it much more likely (IMHO) that a 1Ds3 would be out first. I've mentioned several times before that a 16MP 5D2 would probably be just too close, if the 1Ds2 was still top of the 'One series'
6th The buzz at the moment is for a 40D replacement to be announced in the week of the 20th August. There is a Pentax European press conference on the 23rd; Canon Autumn Collection launch London on the 21st; Nikon London launch on the 24th. While Sept seems 6th likely for Sony (from DPR). All possibly in time for IFA in Berlin (Aug 31 - Sep 5)
Have a look over at our 40D page for suggested pictures and specifications. Although some keep saying that there won't be a 1Ds3 this year, I'm still hopeful of a late September announcement. The 'specs' for a 40D crossed with some from the 1D3 and a bigger FF sensor would make for a useful update to the 5D - or, dare I say it, the fabled 3D (predicted for at least the last four years :-)
2007 July 20th In a move that -might- put some pressure on bringing out a 5D replacement, the French mag 'Chasseur d'Image's mentions a new body from Nikon to replace the D200 in this week's issue.
Although probably still a crop sensor but a D200X or D300 - anyway, there's plenty in this DPR thread
5th I was told that Ken Rockwell had made a pronouncement ;-) -- it will be a 7D, no it might be a 5DMk2, it will use the current 1Ds2 sensor...
"5D2" front view
"5D Mk2" rear - note 4:3 screen ratio - and no print button
see the 'original' below
The original '5d2'
The German image files have been mirrored (for the time being) at DPR - see also this thread for lots of other thoughts on the matter ;-)
June 30th Some info on where Olympus is going with the competitor to the 40D / D300 shows some useful trends in the market - info on the 40D page
19th A bit of a flurry on DPR with a suggestion of the 5D2 in August :-). The 5D was announced on 22nd August 2005, so it'll be two years old by then.
11th Very quiet on the 5D2 front, although I saw my first 3D mention for a long while on DPR (it will replace the 5D next Feb) - not even a faked 3D pic to go with it ;-)
A better pic of the larger of the two Sony cameras (more pics on EG) This is the one that some people think (hope ;-) might be FF
There is an even higher res version on DPR - good to see no sign of a pop-up flash :-)
Meanwhile from dpr
"According to the French magazine 'Réponses Photo' (issue 183 June 2007), Nikon will soon bring out a new 'pro' camera, suitable both for studio and for photojournalism. It will be available around the same time as the Rugby World Cup later this year (early autumn?)... this new camera will use a 18.7MP sensor made by Sony, slightly smaller than FF (x1.1) thus allowing further use of the classic F mount. As was the case for the D200, Nikon will have exclusive use of this sensor for 12 months."
8th I'm just back from my US trip, and catching up a bit on the rumours - anything 5D2 related seems to push back the release until early next year, when it -might- have some full frame competition...
Remember the Sony Vapourware, sorry 'mock-up' cameras at PMA? (9th March on the Main 1Ds3 page)Could one of them be FF? See this thread on DPR where June/July is mentioned, although this post suggests that the A300 (smaller one) is for this year.
Meanwhile over on many Nikon forums, you'll find people wondering when they will get FF (Which I'm perfectly happy to accept is not best for everyone :-)
April 28th There's a dealer rumour on FM from France that says no 5D replacement this year, however the 40D will arrive in July and will support EF-S lenses.
22nd I'm over in Northern California at the moment (Pic. diary :-) so I'm not checking for updates and news -quite- so often -- however after a good hunt round I find nothing new :-(
3rd details on all the Canon cashback offers in Europe are now available online at http://Canonlensacc2007.onlinerebates.com/intro.aspx
2nd Check those cashback prices carefully I've been told of one large reseller that:
Entirely legitimate, but still strikes me (IMHO) as basically dishonest...
1st Warehouse Express in the UK have been sending out details of the various Canon rebate offers: "Up to £1308 CASHBACK on selected CANON DSLRs and accessories" Looks like a concerted effort to shift some kit. Actual rebates seem to vary a bit between countries.
Any other rumours seem more than a tad suspect on April Fools day... ;-)
March 19th An odd 5D display?
It was pointed out to me (thanks) that the 5D in the Canon brochure http://www.usa.Canon.com/app/pdf/d_eos/EOS_Pro_Digital_Bro.pdf (p11 in the pdf, p23 in the brochure) has an unusual top LCD.
Compare it with the normal version below
Normal 5D top lcd
Unfortunately, before you rush off with an insight into 5D2 designs, check the metadata from the PDF file
Well spotted, but no box of cigars on their way :-)
15th Rebates on the way?
In Germany Canon is sending out a mail which says there will be Cashback for 400d, 30d and 5d staring on 1st of April, ending on 30th of June.
See also the (main rumours page)
8th Assorted 'EOS 20th Anniversary' kits and the like in the PDF I mentioned the other day are now appearing at dealers' sites. I had one report of them on the Warehouse Express site (UK)
Some prices... Canon EOS-30D - £689, Canon EOS-30D plus Canon EF-S 17-85 f/4-5.6 IS USM - £980
5th I'm hearing of noticeable drops in 5D prices in the UK? - not any details however. This could be related to the kits etc. mentioned yesterday.
4th Nikon to Full Frame? There was a post (subsequently pulled) at Photo.net about the forthcoming 'D3' from Nikon, on Monday
Some of the info now seems to be missing from the thread, but it's supposed to be:(also now quoted on FM)
Interesting to see whether this (if real) advances the 5D2, 3D, or 1Ds3 from Canon
There are also a load of 30D/5D rebates (from 1st April ;-) and kits listed for Europe, at a French site (full list on main rumours page)
1st Only a few more days to PMA 2007, and as if to emphasise the 'thats all folks' message from Canon, I see that the "Spring 2007 EOS Catalog" has arrived in stores (1D3 price TBA) so quite possibly nothing until August/September (they produce two catalogues 'Spring' and 'Fall' in the US)
2007 February 27th Some looking at pixel dimensions and different products might give some hint as to what sensor is going to go in a new camera
From FM (about Canon testing)
I'd expect the 5D replacement to fill the role of a smaller FF camera, but with the 1Ds3 still at 1D3 dimensions. Who knows we might eventually get that 3D ;-)
As for timings, there was this on FM about what was coming in Canon's EOS aniversary year:
So, no 5D replacement until the end of the year?
23rd At the UK press event Canon confirmed that "these will be all the new products announced in the run-up to and during PMA, which starts on March 8th"
There is a report on this event at PB
Just FYI, here are the specs
EOS 7s -- is this it? from a product PDF downloadable at Canon in Japan (is this an older camera?)
7s - with Eye Control?
22nd The big announcement was the 1DMk3 -- not what I wanted either... :-(
There is a very good 63 page PDF all about the 1D3
21st Over at FM
"1D MkIII 10mp, 10fps, 3" LIVE LCD, the 40D 10MP, 5fps, 3"LCD
17th On FM there are some times for a 'big' announcement...
[times corrected 18th Feb]
There is also the suggestion of only one new 1 series camera this time, with the others held back until later in the year -- no replacement for the 30D? no 5DMk2? No 1DsMk3? and what? -still- no 3D?? :-)
Later in the year could just be next month at PMA...
15th I'm told that the 5D is now down to £1499 at Warehouse Express in the UK - still at £1599 in some of the adverts, but it's quite a noticeable move over the last few months. Perhaps ready to make space for the fabled 3D at last ;-) --or 6D as I saw somewhere the other day.
Shortly followed by a note that Bristol Cameras (UK) have got it down to £1480...
12th A 3D on its way? From FM
"... there was an 'equipment open day' at the bird reserve which I go to regularly. I ended up speaking to a guy from a Canon Pro store in the UK. Eventually the conversation got to what is going to be released shortly. Apparently his store was given notice of a Canon 3D, with a built in grip, he described it as a mini 1D, they even got sent an image of it from Canon distribution arm."
While we're collecting some older posts - there is this collection of info I missed (unfortunately with no sources or attribution) which has a fairly broad range of rumours, including a 4D (popular opinion has always been that Canon would avoid the number 4 for various reasons)
6th From POTN ...
Unfortunately the 24th is a Saturday - not a traditional news day?
5th Someone mailed me a ludicrously new low price for a 5D ($944) at an outfit called bestpricecameras.com As ever, if something seems to good to be true it probably is. A bit of searching in places like resellerratings.com, suggests that they are complete rip-off merchants. If you want to see how they hook unsuspecting punters, have a look at their efforts here - You have been warned
January 29th The 3D rumour just keeps rolling on...
Just when I was wondering where it had got to, a 3D rumour surfaces on DPR - not much at all really, but it's nice to know that this particular rumour,which has been growing in performance and doing the rounds for the last 4-5 years, is not dead
"weatherproof and larger than the 5D but smaller than the 1D" :-)
17th An interesting post at FM suggesting that there are quite a few cameras to be released this year. So as not to annoy the dealers too much (New everything folks - lots of hard to shift stock). There would be 2 at PMA and two later in the year -- but in what order?. Canon's 'dilemma' (quoted from the FM post) was:
The 5D replacements
From the latest 'Shutterbug' magazine (thanks), this US advert from 'Broadway Photo' has the 5d down to $2100 - I'm not sure of US prices, but it's still listed at $2790 on Amazon.com
Note - I've since been told by several people to avoid this retailer like the plague. It seem they are classic bait and switch merchants, where you get a cheap camera but have to pay extra for all the other bits that normally come as standard - more info on the 1dsmk3 page
Via a Canon dealer in South Africa, there was the suggestion that March will bring a 7D, using the 16MP sensor from the 1Ds2 and anti-dust from the 400.
The 'Mk3' was due to go to 22+MP. The 7D was definitely for March, but less sure about the other one.
I do wonder if Canon would bring out a 16MP camera without also upgrading the top end to 22MP or so at the same time. There is also the question as to whether they would bring out a single digit EOS camera with improved specs and a higher number -- at last another chance for the fabled 3D
If you go back to our original 1DsMk2 rumour page, you can see what's changed in rumours since June 2004 - the 3D has been a regular visitor...
2006 December 29th A mention of a 5D in a Korean page http://skyblue04.egloos.com/2864840
Here is the Babelfish translation (Google version is on the 1DsMk3 page)
Top notch crystal ball gazing there Ken ;-)
With all the bits of info that people are kind enough to send I thought I'd best thin out the 1Ds Mk3 page a bit (particularly since that's the one I'm likely to buy). Hence this 5D update page and the 40D page
Here are the current 5D specs for those of you who have forgotten :-)
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