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The EOS 3DAny info? please let us know via the Contact FormRumours RSS feed | 'What's New' RSS Feed This page covers all our EOS 3D info since we started collecting it...The 3D has been regularly mentioned for many years - some of what was suggested became the 5D, but the 3D frequently gets listed - often as a general purpose 'I want a cheaper 1Dx camera wishlist'. FYI We've got some EOS3 specs at the end of the page (launched Oct 98) When you've got one, there is even a Flkr group to post your photos and discuss the EOS 3DMk2 :-) Another reminder - This is a RUMOURS page which reports stuff we are sent or find on the web. It is primarily for amusement and entertainment :-) Take what you read accordingly, and apply your own skill and judgement! 2010 January
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Amazon UK link / Amazon USA link / Amazon Canada link 6th We hear (thanks) that there may well be a 3D in the works for later this year, but that it's still very much in the on/off category. It also depends to some extent on a Spring arrival for the 1Ds4 (rather than a Photokina announcement) If the 1Ds4 arrives in the first part of the year, then expect 3D rumours to really start ramping up ;-) 4th The release of the 7D has given new life to the 3D rumour line... No new pictures though - where have all the good fakes gone? :-) The question is, will Canon produce an FF camera with less MP than the 21 of the 5D2? Probably not, so I'd hazard that we won't see a 3D until some time after the 1Ds4 puts a margin between the top of the 1 series and the 5D2 (1D4 pixel density equates with ~27MP FF). The [CR] tea leaves still go for a 16-21MP 3D - that would be nice. With the size of the pixels I'd possibly want one for more of my available light work. Wishful thinking perhaps? Apart from the G11 I've seen no evidence of Canon dropping the pixel count for image quality. Having recently tested the 7D, an FF version with really good low light performance would be handy - I just wonder how much of a market that Canon sees? At 16MP and extremely good high ISO (and DR) I might get one as well as a 1Ds4. With performance that's only a bit better than the 1Ds4 in some areas, I'll just go for the big lump... 2009 October 27th We hear that Canon are in no rush to replace the 1Ds3 maybe not even until 2011. This, it was suggested, leaves an opening for a full frame 7D - the 3D. Some time ago it was suggested to us that Canon were considering a 16MP FF camera, which with sensor advances would have pretty impressive low light performance (LOTD?). My thoughts are that this may have been referring to some aspects of a test 1D4 (lots of camera variants get tested) I suspect that Canon marketing still believes that megapixels sell, and that the vociferous 'I want low MP FF' crowd on the forums is just that - a crowd on the forums. If there is a genuine market identified, then we will see a 3D September 8th Is the 3D the new 1Ds? In an unusual sidenote to some 1D4 info yesterday, it was suggested that the 1D4 might become 'the' 1 series camera, and that the 1Ds3 replacement might become the 3D. Given Canon's positioning of the numbers I'd perhaps expect the 1D3 replacement to be called the 3D (lose all that old AF related baggage? ;-) That said, I'm minded to believe that Canon wants both its 'Flagship' cameras to be 'One series' 4th In a comment [thanks] we hear that some senior Canon people were downplaying any prospect of a 3D 'for some time'. 2009 September 3rd The 7D announcement has certainly poured petrol on the embers of 3D discussions :-) A good example (without the more typical DPR hyperbole) is at FM Whilst we've regularly heard from our better sources that a more basic FF camera was an option, they always added that it depended very much on market response (did FF -really- sell cameras) and not cannibalising existing sales. July 20th In a comment we received about the 1D4, there was mention of a possible 3D at 8.5fps July 9th The 3D is coming (again) after Nikon announce the D300s and will sit between the 1D3 and 50D - no real info though[CR] Hmm... we've not had a really good fake 3D image for a while now either...
2009 April 9th At last it's back - a good solid 3D thread [DPR] with all the classic responses and arguments. Including some nice if unfortunately rather hopeful specs.
2008 December 26th The 3D is mentioned in a collection of rumours on a Korean site - see the main rumours page for info 12th 1D3 and/or 1Ds3 updates by April at the earliest? A Canon service inspired rumour [POTN] "Canon were set to announce a whole new revamp to their top of the line model - and possibly [an]other in the 1 range" ... 3D anyone? :-) December 5th At last, as the 5D2 starts to ship, the fabled 3D reappears [POTN]
Ah, yes a 2x crop factor... moving to the four thirds system perhaps ... next please ;-) 2008 September 20th From the 1Ds4 page... 'There is also a good possibility of: "a new high end DSLR being added to the range soon to fill market demand" ' 3rd We've had a load of 'future developments'/60D/'future pro' camera info sent to us. Includes comments about 'pro' features moving down the model range. Info on the 60D page August 24th In some Canon background material we received (see 5D2 page) there is once again the mention of a new Pro FF camera "High MP FF pro camera, lower cost than 1Ds Mk3" Does this mean the on/off 5D split is on again - hopefully the Sony and Nikon 20+MP cameras will hasten this ;-) Look for 1Ds3 price cuts next year to herald it. June 17th The CR story is updated to have the 3D powered by Digic IV - If you're interested in some of the background for this, see the large amount of info we were sent last September. 14th A 3D to go with another FF body? There is a report [CR] of a '3D' and '6D', although if previous numbering conventions are anything to go by I'd suspect the model number guestimates are the wrong way around.
Any general details are on the main 5D replacement page. 13th An interesting comment from Germany (Dresden) where a group of Japanese people were seen taking and comparing pictures on different cameras - 450D, Fuji DSLR and a Canon one marked '3D' The person who sent us the comment has a 5D and said the the '3D' looked similar, but definitely different (slightly larger than the 5D.)
2008 June 12th
Whilst I'd love a camera with these specs for my low light work, it all sounds just a bit too good ;-) There is also the picture (reduced here a bit to fit the page)
As we say, this is a -rumours- page, so we'll include it for your study/amusement... Update - thanks for the version of the above we were sent, showing a quick mashup of widely available 1Ds3 and 5D images that looks virtually identical. March 4th At last, a photo of the 3D (or part of it) appears in a magazine. Fortunately someone photographed the page - read the full DPR thread for more info, but do note that it's part of the fake same pic we were sent in August 2006 (see below :-) ... the one with the 40mm f/1.2 lens February 7th Since reading the Chuck Westfall tea leaves seems to be in vogue at the moment, it's worth noting one of his comments from 2006 I was recently pointed to (thanks ;-) "Is Canon considering bringing Eye Controlled Focus back to any of the digital EOS bodies? Is there some technical limitation? I've not used ECF (my first Canon camera was the 1Ds) but it is often mentioned on various discussion forums. Whether this feature is one that Canon has continued to develop, we just don't know... Perhaps we'll see it in the fabled EOS 3D which I'm informed will be announced 'real soon now' ;-) ECF article at Canon.
The thread also includes several other people's predictions including the interesting...
Ah... the fabled 3D! This is at least better than the continuing rehash of the Swedish news article, which keeps appearing on assorted blogs, along with the '7D UPC code' :-) 2008 January 15th Meanwhile in the US a Canon rep allegedly says [DPR]: "Stay home if you are looking for anything like a 5D follow on at PMA. We just introduced 2 cameras last year - it will not be until the Fall until we do anything with the 5D line."
2007 December 30th At last, another mention of the 3D :-) "The person said 2 DSLRs ($3500 and $2500) will be released next year. He added the later one is 5D successor. New model released in Jan. might be 3D. "
2007 December 29th According to 'Hisashi Owada' in an interview (translated from Japanese to Chinese to English, so it could really say almost anything ;-) "We will launch a strong product. Intermediate camera 'EOS 5D' there will be increased durability and the subsequent pixel models listed. At the same price, we will launch better products. " Make of that what you will, but improved weather sealing and 16MP look more likely, ...and coming in at the original 5D price? 2007 October 17th The Mythical 3DCanon still believe that a greater proportion of the market will move to be full frame as the cost of the sensors come down. They have on-again / off-again plans to split the 5D and have a lower and higher end full frame model. The higher end would be weather sealed, and have pro-level AF and exposure The lower end would have a flash and be like a 40D but with full frame This is being complicated by the emerging push to bring high end features into the mid range anyway (as per the Nikon D300. However so far, Canon is still seriously considering the split. 2007 September 15th There are lot's more discussions about the 3D appearing now, while we are waiting for the '5Dmk2'. Unfortunately there's not one that I've found, that doesn't look like a "what I'd want/like/demand in a smaller CHEAPER 1 series camera" post :-) For 5D price falls in Europe have a look at this DPR thread which has lots of 2007 August 23rd The D3 and D300 have certainly reignited the 5DMk2 discussions :-) I've even noticed people mentioning the fabled 3D again (it's been rumoured for years :-). It would be highly unlikely that Canon didn't know what Nikon (and Sony) were up to, and must have factored all of this into their calculations. 2007 June 11th Very quiet on the 5D2 front, although I saw my first 3D mention for a long while on DPR (it will replace the 5D next Feb) - not even a faked 3D pic to go with it ;-) 2007 March 14th Some 1D3 prices starting to appear on US sites (thanks for the info) $4999 at zipzoomfly and $4599 at fotoconnection - however supplies are, as expected, somewhat scarce. In a follow up to the other day's collection of older info that we missed:
2007 February 12th A 3D on its way? From FM "... there was an 'equipment open day' at the bird reserve which I go to regularly. I ended up speaking to a guy from a Canon Pro store in the UK. Eventually the conversation got to what is going to be released shortly. Apparently his store was given notice of a Canon 3D, with a built in grip, he described it as a mini 1D, they even got sent an image of it from Canon distribution arm." While we're collecting some older posts - there is this collection of info I missed (unfortunately with no sources or attribution) which has a fairly broad range of rumours, including a 4D (popular opinion has always been that Canon would avoid the number 4 for various reasons) 2007 January 29th The 3D rumour just keeps rolling on... Just when I was wondering where it had got to, a 3D rumour surfaces on DPR - not much at all really, but it's nice to know that this particular rumour,which has been growing in performance and doing the rounds for the last 4-5 years, is not dead "weatherproof and larger than the 5D but smaller than the 1D" :-) 2007 January 17th An interesting post at FM suggesting that there are quite a few cameras to be released this year. So as not to annoy the dealers too much (New everything folks - lots of hard to shift stock). There would be 2 at PMA and two later in the year -- but in what order?. Canon's 'dilemma' (quoted from the FM post) was:
The 5D replacements
2006 December 12th I'm told that as from today Canon Australia is offering a $750 rebate on the 1DsMk2 -- until Feb '07. Was seen on printed posters in dealers, not yet on the web - thanks Phil There is also this Chinese rumour site http://www.fengniao.com/news/47/477501.html which mentions several new cameras. If you run the page through Babelfish you can get a translation (of sorts :-) Some points?
No news of a 1DsMk2 ... Do bear in mind that this is from a translation that includes such gems as: "lets us wait for, the hummingbird net also will continue to track the report, will ask respectfully the attention." No doubt someone will summarise it a bit more accurately :-) 2006 September 10th Thanks to those of you who asked about the several site outages we had over the week - local problems we're afraid, not malevolence from Canon :-) If someone who speaks better German than me (not difficult) wants to check out this thread on www.dslr-forum.de there are some interesting comments regarding a 3D already being shown to the main dealers? - 11th - The original poster claims that 3D's are listed by wholesalers, but has supplied no evidence, and neither has anyone else... Thanks Erik 2006 August 30th From a DPR thread mentioning some new lenses there was also this snippet. Usual caveats apply -- as in most of this stuff! ;-)
There may not be an announcement of the '1Ds MkIII' at photokina. We were told that the current release plan for the 'Mk3' is end of November/ start of December. This will depend on KissX [XTi/400D] sales and may get postponed until next year. '1DsMk3' Development is completed and waits for production - which is not yet started. 2006 August 28th 3D as replacement for 1DMk2 [potn] 2006 August 12th Tis the season for conspiracies -- it seems that a thread was removed from the Fred Miranda forum (a good forum - far fewer trolls and "here is a picture of my cat taken with my new XXX" type posts than some others ;-) 6fps FF camera with 5D sensor (5D+ or the fabled 3D) 2006 August 1st Over at Camera West (http://www.camerawest.com/) they are taking advance requests to be put on a 22MP 1Ds waiting list. Doesn't say if it is a 1Ds Mk2 N or the 'Mk3' (Thanks Thomas, for the info)
See also PB for more. If nothing else, the body design looks a bit tidier than the supposed 3F pictures we were sent a while ago. The following 'specs' are also posted [FM]...
2006 June 26th E-mail I've received on the 'EOS3' pics overwhelmingly say 'FAKE' - I'm minded to agree ... ho hum, I did say take stuff on this page with a big pinch of salt :-) I'll leave the pics up for the record.
Some details for the successor to the 1DsMk2? (as with the 3F I'm now minded to be very wary of this unless I hear from someone with some more credible info :-) "23.9 MP, 5FPS @ FF 9FPS @ .3 CROP. 28 RAW TO Buffer 72 JPEG 1498 grams (incl batt) 3” LCD at 368,000 pixels " -- Along with a suggestion that it will be announced on Monday 28th August. FYI the 1ds2 is 1565 gram and does 4fps with a buffersize of 11 raw and the 1D2n does 8.5fps and 20 raw.
Since it arrived just as I was going out to the pub on a Saturday night, I didn't look carefully at the picture that came with the 'EOS 3F' picture below... A blast from the past indeed, I thought I hadn't heard anything about Foveon for quite some time. Could this actually be the elusive EOS 3D that people have been postulating for years?
As ever I'm just reporting something I've been sent - I've no independant verification of this, so caveat lector. 2006 June 24th Rumours coming a bit faster now on the board, with a 23MP 1Ds Mk11N being a popular vote (along with several new L lenses) Whether the higher dynamic range sensors we heard about in March make it into the next 1Ds, or arrive in something new and big announced in 2007 remains to be seen. An EOS 3D? The EOS 3F ? We were just sent the pic with the sample picture (see above) and no other info so you will just have to make your own minds up on its veracity. After several requests we've replaced the reduced size version with one at the size we were sent.
...and here is a PS montage -I- put together to compare its size with other cameras (yes it was Sunday morning and I was bored)
5D, '3F' and 1Ds Mk2 2006 February 15th - Mutterings about a 1Ds RS , using a pellicle mirror to save on having to flip it up, and managing 10fps at 18MP full frame. Also a 3D midway between 5D and 1D lines (haven't heard that one for a while... ;-) See the Fred Miranda forums for the standard collection of posts that follow any such posting :-) ... and there are a lot of them. 2005 December [old rumours were collected by month...]
For some nice pictures and diagrams, have a look at some of Canon's thoughts on the benefit of full frame sensors at http://web.Canon.jp/Imaging/cmos/index-e.html Given their stated long term aim of moving as many cameras as possible to FF sensors the convergence of 1D and 1Ds will be sooner than later... "Reading between the lines of the specs and press release, you may discover that the EOS 5D is the first model in a new strategy frm Canon, in the direction of full frame image sensor in many cameras to come. They have now solved many of the obstacles and production cost barriers, first and foremost related to the lowpass filter in front of the CMOS. 2005 July What about an EOS 3D? "The camera is supposed to be a full frame camera selling at $4000 CDN. Pixel count is unknown (my guess, 12 MP). Lighter and smaller than the 1D-series. Emphasis is on high ISO performance - both noise and colour. Release is supposed to be second / third week of September (just in time for Xmas)." This particular rumor has been doing the rounds for some time :-) -- (see the 1Ds MkII page) ...and became what we now know as the 5D 4th 3D between 1D and 20D? 2004 24th September More info comes out as the various parts of Canon worldwide catch up to the announcement. Interestingly enough the 'other camera' (EOS 3D) rumours persist, with this comment on the PDN forum: "The big news is there is a new camera (like the EOS 3) which will not have the build quality of the 1 series, better than the 10D, BUT it will be full frame, 11 mp, 9 focus points and sell for $3,000. This camera may not be announced until September or maybe later." 2004 4th September Some people still hoping for an EOS-3D which would sit in between the 1D Mk2 and the new 20D. The best money still looks to be on the 1Ds Mk2 at Photokina (info about event). EOS-3 specs"A sturdy and modern, full-featured SLR for professionals and advanced amateurs alike, the EOS-3 incorporates a host of technological advances that raise the bar for peformance in a high quality 35mm SLR. These features include a 45-point autofocus system, Canon's amazing Eye-Controlled AF, predictive AF up to 7 frames per second (with optional Power Drive Booster PB-E2 and NP-E2 battery pack), E-TTL auto flash, 18 custom functions, compatibility with Canon's full range of autofocus lenses and Speedlites, and much more. These capabilities are incorporated into a rugged body with easily accessible controls for quick and easy execution of camera operations. Almost instinctual, the EOS-3 will help to ensure that you never miss a shot again." Product Features
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