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Rumours
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Canon 1DS Mk4 (EOS-1Ds MkIV) - replacement for the Mk31Ds Mk 4 Info12th March 2010News and rumours about the 1Ds3 replacement All the latest Mk 4 information we get sent or find on the web goes here! - just remember it's rumours!
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2010 January 2009 November 28th In the sooner/later saga, we hear of dealers finding the 1Ds3 in short supply. One suggestion for this was that Canon have diverted some 1Ds3 manufacturing resources to meet a hefty demand for the 1D4. 24th In some fairly specific comments, we hear of a major (non UK) dealer who has been told that the 1Ds4 is currently over 12 months off - fitting in with a pre photokina announcement. Thom Hogan makes his annual predictions - always a well thought out piece. This about the 1Ds4: 18th Although expected next year, I see that CR were pointed to January for an announcement. Personally I share their hope for a later (photokina) announcement. I'm getting married in March, so my finances prefer availability of the 1Ds4 later in the year ;-) More iPhone photography ramblings in the blog... 12th We're told that new Canon Australia prices coming up will show noticeable reductions in 5D2 and 1Ds3 prices October 31st A well known DPR poster says Feb/March 2010 :-) 27th In an interesting comment (thanks) from one of our previous sources, we hear that some people at Canon are saying thet the 1Ds3 still has over a year's life, and that Canon will not be releasing a pro camera in 2010. Of course, a camera might be announced this time next year, but not turn up until January. I suspect the 1Ds3 is not facing the marketing pressures (AF related) that's pushed the 1D4 up the announcement order, but good camera as it is, mine will be 3 years old next November. No 1Ds4 next year? ...time for the fabled 3D ;-) 26th After a slight pause, 1Ds4 speculation resumes. All the usual guestimates in forums [POTN] although I did spot the perfectly reasonable point that a ~16MP 1D4 at 10 fps has about the same data moving requirements as a 32MP 1Ds4 at 5fps (1D4 sensor density comes out at ~27MP in FF). If you look at the difference between the 1D3 and 1Ds3, the equvalent 5fps comes out at ~34MP - enough numerology, back to rumours... Our most interesting comment still says that Canon will do more than just FF the 1D4 and a later release will allow them to do far more to address image quality (DR, bit depth). At CR they back next year for the 1Ds mark4 with a fair degree of certainty... :-) 20th As expected, the 1D4 appears. The 1D4 with it's new AF and metering was pushed to some extent by the 'AF issues' that are commonly associated with the 1D3. It's been announced some 30 months after the 1D3 The 1D4 and 7D are both dual Digic4, whilst some 60D comments we've had suggested that the Digic5 would appear in the 60D early next year. So will the 1Ds4 be announced early next year with dual Digic4 or later (maybe as late as Aug/Sept for photokina) with Digic5? I note the comments made to dealers earlier in the Summer that the 1Ds4 was at least a year off. The 1Ds2 and 1Ds3 were both introduced after 3 years. October 18th We're not expecting a new 1Ds until next year, but I do keep seeing suggestions that it'll be announced this week. - should know soon :-) 2009 September 30th We hear, via a European dealer source, that the 1D4 is due to be announced mid October. Followed by a 36MP 1Ds4 in February. I note that 36MP is roughly equivalent to a 14MP APS-C sensor, or a pixel density just below that of the 50D (38MP FF equiv) 19th Whilst we're not expecting anything this year, we were sent a 1Ds Mark IV picture that apppeared on a Chinese site (thanks).
I'm assuming that someone will spot the original somewhere? 2009 September 10th We hear about a summer Canon pro dealer event where the question of a 1Ds4 was raised. The assorted company execs were categorically told that the 1Ds4 was at least a year off. We're still putting our money on the 1Ds4 being announced before photokina 2010 - unless the 1D4 appears this year ;-) August 24th More price drops appearing (1D3 and 1Ds3 at Adorama/ B&H) and 1Ds3 at Newegg. 21st 1Ds3 prices in Australia fall in an offer we've seen running until the 15th of September.
1Ds2+50/1.2 A$11440 (inc GST) 13th Canon in Denmark announce a Summer price reduction for both the 1D3 and 1Ds3 - seen at around 20% at one pro dealer. 5th In Hong Kong, Canon even go so far as to put out a press release to announce 1D4 and 1Ds4 price cuts. [prices in HK Dollars] EOS-1Ds Mark III Body EOS-1D Mark III Body Once again this raises questions of 1D/1Ds 'unification'. This was mentioned here in 2006, According to Chuck Westfall at the time: "I never said that the EOS-1D and 1Ds model lines would be merged. As best as I can tell, this line of thinking is based on the alleged comments of another Canon executive (Mr. Takaya Iwasaki) who was interviewed a couple of years ago by a European digital camera Web site. http://www.e-fotografija.com/artman/publish/article_440.shtml"
Possibly time to jump to a Mark 'V' or even something like the 1DsV, 1DVs or some such new name. August 4th From Denmark we hear of 1Ds3 price cuts. 2009 July 30th A suggestion in CR that the 1DS4 will be announced at the same time as the 1D4. Whilst it could be seen as Canon looking to take a lead in two areas of camera use, I'm still thinking that the 1Ds4 will be next year. April 28th Suggestions from Spain about 'new high end camera(s)' being tested - See 1D4 page 7th Update - thanks to readers around the world who were able to find the source for this info [DCJ] and point out that it appeared on April the first ;-) So, Fake, but still a departure from the usual wish-list specs. ---- Just how different will the 1Ds4 be? We were sent what looks to be a machine translation of Japanese text. The key points mentioned
Whilst we're familiar with using back lit imagers in astronomical imaging, this would be a first in DSLRs. Since we don't have an original source for this one, we'll leave it as 'interesting' - though the end of the month is much sooner than we thought we'd see a 1Ds4... 1st We're told [thanks] of sightings of a new 1Ds being tested in the US. No pics or details we're afraid... February 28th From our main rumours page The high price of the D3x has lessened pressure to renew the 1Ds3 Plans for a August 2009 release are now in doubt as 1Ds3 sales remain strong too Canon have a range of sensor choices here, up to 39MP. The delay also allows the new AF system to be considered. This is a key factor in 1D4 timing and hence important to the 1Ds4 too. Canon have two release windows in mind, January / February 2010 and August / September 2010 (3 years).
13th An odd comment from Dell. We've heard [thanks] from someone recently looking to lease a 1ds Mark III from Dell. Dell replied that the camera was at the end of its product life and they would not lease it, although they had 2 bodies in stock. They would, however, lease the 1d Mark III. Not many people would have put money on a 1Ds3 upgrade before the 1D3... anyone else had this response? January 17th We were sent some comments about the next 'Ds' having a CFast slot which is SATA up to 375MB/s [info - PDF]. I did some looking about, and with very few suppliers around, it might not make it a camera released this year. That said, a 10 fps new 'D' model (more likely this year) is going to need some fast storage if it's to move beyond say 16MP. 5th Via a Chinese site [PF] comes suggestions for a 1Ds3 replacement. via [SG] and then [PB] and then [CR] - before a 1D3 replacement?? I first thought it looks to be a mash-up of circulating rumours, then I looked back here to October 6th - it's the same rumour ...doh! 2008 December 12th 1D3 and/or 1Ds3 updates by April at the earliest? A Canon service inspired rumour [POTN] "Canon were set to announce a whole new revamp to their top of the line model - and possibly [an]other in the 1 range" ... 3D anyone? :-) November 30th A supposed 1Ds MkIV screen shot from Japan - not very good photoshop work :-) 28th We asked around a bit about the recent 1D series info and have updates on the 1D4 page and general rumours/7D page. 27th We hear of a different source, also suggesting that a new 1Ds is not that far away (within 6 months) 26th We've had a comment that the 1Ds3 and 1D3 lines will finally get merged next year with a new 1D style body at 26MP full frame, with a fast fps cropped mode (15MP) and complex pixel binning based modes. The AF is redesigned too. Whilst it sounds nice, I've heard far more comments that the two lines are addressing different enough markets to stay apart for a while yet. 12th In Thom Hogan's pronouncements for 2009 (worth reading) there is a suggestion that the economic climate may well push back camera releases. However, a 24MP Nikon D4 (or whatever) would mean that rather too many cameras outperform the 1Ds3 in different areas. Whilst this won't matter to a lot of 1Ds3 users, I wonder how long Canon will be prepared to cede -some- aspects of 'top gun' status? The original 5D (2005) came out after the 1Ds2 (2004) October 6th Via PF [Chinese] we get some posited specs for a 1Ds4
With the 5D2 at 21MP, I'd not expect Canon's flagship to remain at 21MP (50D pixel density gives~38MP) September 20th Reports from several sources mention Canon working on 16 bit image technology and mention the dynamic ISO variation process. This should be thought of as matching the sensitivity of the sensor to the light falling on it, to give a greater effective dynamic range. Think of bright parts having an effective ISO of 100, while dark parts of the sensor have their sensitivity raised. You still expose to avoid clipping, but in the darker areas, the gain is raised - it will be interesting to see what the results are, but Canon want this technology in their 'flagship' camera.
A dual Digic 4 approach can handle a FF camera at 50D pixel density (38MP) at 1Ds speeds, while Canon are again trialling a camera with 1.6, 1.3 and FF dynamic cropping as well as movie mode, for a sports Camera. There are two current AF design tasks going on. There is the 'all new Pro' version with many more AF points and new tracking algorithms, and the 'next generation' approach, based on the 45 point system, but with more cross and 2.8 type sensors, and a lot more processing power. The 'All New' version will not be seen until it has been -very- solidly tested. This will not delay the replacement of the 1D3 and 1Ds3. Expect considerable re-badging of whatever AF is found in the next 1D to make a break from the 'problems' of the 1D3. There is also a good possibility of "a new high end DSLR being added to the range soon to fill market demand" ...No, surely not the 3D at last! ;-) Before the big shake-up last year, Canon kept its Pro and Consumer DSLR teams largely working on their own, however they are now much more integrated. Their CMOS technology is being very actively moved into the compact range. Meanwhile Sony are quietly mentioning their own 50MP FF sensor in various 'off the record' technical briefings to their friends in the press ;-) Some dates to consider
19th 5D2 and the 1Ds3? A comment from someone talking to Chuck Westfall [DPR] 'at higher ISO's the 5D II will outperform the 1Ds III by "two and a half stops."' We're now definitely expecting both the 1D3 and 1Ds3 to be replaced by this time next year. Whilst we're waiting for more detailed info from some of our more reliable past sources, we know that Canon want to replace the 1Ds3 with something that makes a 'clear statement of leadership'. 17th The 21MP 5D2 arrives. At a store showing a 5D2 to people, a Canon rep was asked if it will kill 1Ds3 sales - "I don't care" was the reply. Meanwhile a Norwegian store has the 1Ds3 price reduced until 21/9 Whilst the 1D3 is a serious bet for an upgrade in the Spring, how about the 1Ds3 as well? How long does the 'flagship' not have the best sensor or LCD? 4th Mk4 for next Feb? [POTN] Some specs to go with that:
Whilst I'd expect the 1D3 to be replaced next year, I'd thought (or should I say 'hoped' ) the 1Ds3 might last a bit longer ;-) 3rd More Canon technical info.... 60D features, 70D prospects, feature migration from the 'pro' range and the wholesale redesign of what a 'professional' camera is. (warning - mentions EVF - I know this scares some people ;-) Info on the 60D page (now updated with lots more info just received) 24th August With the 50D widely expected, its 15.1MP sensor scales to 38MP for the 1Ds4 There are also strong hints that the 3 year camera cycle is no more. Look for 1Ds3 price cuts next year to signify at least a new version of the 1D3 (which may yet be FF) Also before that, expect a new FF 'Pro' camera (3D??) next year (see 5D2 page for more background info) 23rd June A 50MP CMOS sensor from Canon gets a mention in a Chinese report from the P&E show currently on in China. Google translations don't say much ;-) - but I believe it's from a senior Canon Exec. This follows on from our information of last September which discussed aspects of potential 40-50MP sensors and their eventual introduction in the 1 series (Photokina 2010? :-) 12th March Is there an announcement of something this Autumn? Lots of rumours on the 5D2 page, which includes this, about something else new... "The new Canon flagship, this Fall, will have a "1.5:1 price/performance advantage to the Nikon flagship." (Read carefully: this statement refers to the coming Canon flagship, not the 5D II being discussed here)." More likely, the 1D3 replacement? 6th December 2007 Since I'm still getting used to some of the capabilities of the 1Ds3, it's a bit early to say what I'd like to see in the next version! ;-) However, better noise performance at even higher ISO, might be one area I'd prefer over many more MP. A bit more DR along with the 16 bit A/D would make for even more stunning output (it's good in the 1Ds3) Anyway, I'm not expecting much of note on this page until the replacement for the 1D3 comes out (maybe later in 2008, given the 1D3 problems) 17th September From our collections of Canon info received over the last few days The 1Ds Mk.IV2010 target with no firm plans – for features Current target is to include:
It will be a year or more before even early test samples are available, longer than that for the advanced CMOS sensors. DIGIC IV would allow this to be 'The One Camera' having similar FPS in crop mode to the 1D mk4 if required. Such a choice would be driven by the market and not added unless there was demand. Canon remains open to merging the 1D and 1Ds lines at some stage, however previous pro feedback when developing the mark III series was against this. 23rd August 2007 Nikon move to FF too (Nikon D3 info) Very interesting specs and well worth a look for 1Ds3 users - look to see some of these features in the 1Ds3N or Mark four ;-) 22nd Well, it had to happen -- a 1DsMk4 thread on DPR :-) 20th I'm expecting the Mark 4 to have at least 33MP, 16 bit processing and a max iso of 12800. Announcement in time for Photokina 2010 In the mean time here's some miscellaneous facts...
1Ds2/1DS3 features comparison
And yes - I'm still (aug 2007) using the one below - great camera! The original EOS 1Ds
Featuring a full frame 35mm CMOS sensor, with 11.1 million effective pixels. Targeting the professional user that seeks the highest image quality, the EOS-1Ds captures astounding detail & colour. Full FrameHaving a full frame sensor the same size & aspect ratio as 35mm film allows the use of wide-angle lenses without any focal length magnification, a traditional limitation of previous digital cameras. High ResolutionThe EOS-1Ds has made a huge leap in resolution by means of the continuous development of the CMOS sensor. Canon's ground breaking CMOS technologies deliver high resolution, low noise and low power consumption. With its extremely high resolution, the EOS-1Ds has been designed to meet the needs of those professional photographers who require the ultimate in digital image quality. The camera will be ideal for professionals active in a wide range of specialities including studio, commercial, reportage, or fashion photography. Professional and quick responseThe EOD-1Ds can capture images at approximately 3 frames per second for a 10-frame burst, even at the highest quality setting. It features the same shooting functions and operation system as the EOS 1D. The EOS 1Ds has fast shutter speeds with a maximum shutter speed of 1/8000 sec and X-sync at 1/250 sec. Users have the choice of an ISO speed range of 100-1250 and ISO 50 provided with custom functions. Photographers also benefit from the high speed, high precision 45 -point area auto focus and 21-zone metering. Colour QualityThe EOS-1Ds sees the introduction of Canon's new imaging engine. This has been specially designed to achieve high image quality, excellent colour reproduction and a wide tonal range equal to, or better than, the 35mm slide film often favoured by professionals. In addition, the CMOS sensor's extremely high signal to noise ratio means that noise is minimized, even at the equivalent of ISO 1250. ReliabilityThe EOS-1Ds incorporates outstanding professional features tried and tested by the EOS-1D including the same dust and water resistance. The Chassis and external covers are made of magnesium allow for light weight and excellent rigidity. The shutter has been tested to an incredible 150,000 exposures. Advanced FeaturesIn response to customer requests, an image enlargement function has been introduced. 25 sections of a selected image can be enlarged on the camera's LCD screen, thus allowing users to check for detail & sharpness. As CMOS sensors consume less power than CCDs, battery life has been improved, so that the NP-E3 battery pack can now capture up to 600 exposures on one charge (at 20° C). With the high-speed FireWire standard IEEE1394 you will get 40 MB per second high speed transfer to give rapid plug & play downloads to a computer. CF cards can be formatted in either the FAT16 or FAT32 file system. Formatting in FAT32 is intended for high-capacity CF cards over 2GB and is selected automatically by the camera when formatting this type of card. Other leading innovations include the unique ability to dial in colour temperatures to meet specific lighting conditions. 10 White Balance (WB) modes and WB bracketing provide maximum flexibility and superb colour accuracy. ISO speed bracketing allows photographers to fix aperture and shutter speeds, yet shoot at 3 different equivalent film speeds. Such advances offer the professional advanced creative opportunities. Entirely new software is available for the EOS-1Ds from the EOS Digital Solutions Disk and is compatible with both Windows and Mac operating systems. The camera also features a CF card type I/II slot enabling the use of CF cards and IBM Microdrives. An optional accessory, the Data Verification Kit DVK-E1 consists of a dedicated IC card and card reader, together with special software for Windows 2000/XP. This allows one to check that the EOS-1Ds' image files have remained absolutely unaltered after being circulated. This may well be a landmark for digital imaging in law enforcement, copyright and many other areas. Availability of this is to be confirmed. The EOS-1Ds is compatible with over 60 of Canon's EF lenses. Canon has also extended its professional photographic system by introducing the Macro Twin Lite MT-24EX for extremely versatile macro flash photography. Additional InformationSpecification Features MegaPixel (Effective Resolution) 11.1 CCD Size (WxH mm) Max Image Resolution Lens Fitting Focal Length Conversion Factor 1.0 Storage CompactFlash CompactFlash Type II Compatible with MicroDrive Yes Max No of Images on an optional 64MB Card 5, 15, 37, 45 Continuous Shooting Speed (fps) 3fps Max Consecutive Shots Battery Type Exposure Modes Spot ISO Speed Range Exposure Compensation LCD Monitor Built in Flash Auto Exposure Bracketing Flash Modes Connection Type White Balance Modes Preset Depth of Field Preview Focusing Modes Manual Audio Recording Flash Sync Socket Operating System Tripod Thread Dimensions (WxHxD) mm Weight (Kg) |
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Nothing unusual about the camera in the picture - looks like a MkIII badge changed to MkIV to me, but I'm told this site had advance specs for the 7D some time before launch.
1Ds3 A$9700 